Do you observe the Sabbath?

Yet you still have not explained to me how the body of Christ today is to keep the sabbath day and you have not shown me from scripture where the body of Christ is commanded to keep the sabbath day.

The moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Which law? You seem to mix passages of scripture about law from the old covenant with passages of scripture about law from the new covenant. So nothing has changed at all from the old covenant to the new covenant? (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13)

To "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments is the demonstrative evidence of our love for the Lord. We love Him because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19) The love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Romans 5:5)

Again, there is a contrast here between servants. There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.

Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

That is descriptive of the saints. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

This is from the Old Testament, so which law is being addressed here?

Do you flawlessly obey His moral law and never sin? (1 John 1:8-10)

Unbelievers are servants of sin.

We establish the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

You use the same arguments that SDA's use in their efforts to try and prove that sabbath keeping is binding on Christians today.

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 do not exclude the ten commandments.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Leviticus 19 lists 5 of the 10 commandments as well as 24 references to the "ceremonial law" and calls them My statures and all My ordinances without differentiation.

In Deuteronomy 5:1 the ten commandments are called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Deuteronomy 5:1-6:25 we have two whole chapters that deal exclusively with the ten commandments and the following 5 terms are used interchangeably without distinction: "statutes", "ordinances", "commandments", "judgments", "testimonies."

In Ezekiel 20:19-21 My sabbaths (including the weekly sabbath) is called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Nehemiah 9:13-14 the weekly sabbath is included without distinction: "ordinances, true laws, good statutes, commandments."

Malachi chapter 4 closes with a call to keep "statutes and ordinances" which obviously include the 10 commandments.

In regards to Acts 13:42-44 (which SDA's often cite in an effort to make your same argument) Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together, and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. That person has entered in God’s rest through Jesus "rests from his own work" (in contrast with law keeping) as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of Creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. Although for centuries the Israelites had found their physical rest in a day, the new covenant takes the focus off the shadow and reveals the spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

When you can't get around the literal, you make it spiritual.
"It is used in this passage not in the literal sense"
There is no biblical truth in this statement.

It is presumption.

Christ is the fulfillment of all truth.
He is the way, the truth and the life. CHRIST is seen in everything good.
He is the water, the bread, the shepard, we find rest in Christ and many other things.

This does not mean we no longer need bread, and water, we no longer keep the sabbath etc..

This priciple does apply to the types and things that showed Israel the plan of salvation.

The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow law. God put it in with the 10 commandments for a reason.

There is no evidence that the sabbath in col 2 is the weekly sabbath. I'll be honest and say there is no proff that it is not the weekly sabbath, but there is clear bible verses that say the law of 10 commandments is not nailed to the cross.

It is a presumption on your part that Hebrews 4:9 is talking about literally keeping the weekly sabbath day. The writer of Hebrews uses "sabbatismos" (which is found nowhere else in the Bible) instead of "sabbaton" yet you still say the sabbath rest that remains in Hebrews 4:9 is keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. The literal would make no sense here. It has to be spiritual.

Here is an article below that may be helpful for you:

http://www.sabbatismos.com/questions-answers/sabbath/#sthash.AZ2FVN29.dpbs

An unbiased reading of Colossians 2:16 shows that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths" as SDA's and other sabbatarians try to argue. The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint.

Paul's reasoning here, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or if you wish Sabbath days)"
CHRIST, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 a connection in Paul's teaching is revealed: "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days" in Colossians 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath.

When God wants to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's argue that the Sabbath Day of Colossians 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is well established in the Old Testament and Colossians 2:16 must refer to the weekly Sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbaths)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbath)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Ezek 46:1-11 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbath)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - years, months, days

Colossians 2:16 - festival, new moon, Sabbath day

God included the 4th commandment (keeping the Sabbath day holy) in the 10 commandments for the Israelites under the old covenant of law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15).

Under the new covenant. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

i say all the law is Spiritual. Not 9/10th, but all of it. Love for God = the Spirit creating Gods love in us.

We are going in circles.
I'm sharing why i keep the sabbath day holy.
If my understanding of the bible tells me that the moral law is for us to see our need, and see Gods character, and a wall to protect us from sin.

The law is not worshiped or kept to gain Gods favour. The Law is written by God.

Am i doing wrong when i rest on sabbath? When i change my focus from farming and any other distraction to concentrate on Jesus and fellowship with other believers. When i reflect on nature and creation, when i think about what Jesus has done for me.

If the sabbath was not as it is for me i wouldn't have had many great experiences with my Saviour, and life would be very different.

Sure we should worship Jesus every day. But it is different when the day is set aside for that purpose.

The sabbath is a wonderful gift from God. I'm glad i found it.

If my motivation for keeping it is not to gain favour, or earn salvation, but because i love the time i have with my saviour is there anything wrong with keeping the sabbath day holy?

If I'm wrong and no one is ment to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy, well I'll find out when Jesus returns.

But if your wrong and Jesus wants us to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Back to the double speak. Previously you said we are not saved by keeping the law/obeying the commandments, yet here you are implying that if I'm wrong and Jesus wants us to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy, and I have not properly done that, then I'm toast!

If you go back to the Old Testament, there was more involved in keeping the sabbath day then simply resting on a day. How can you keep the sabbath law when you only keep part of it? Jesus is my "sabbatismos" rest in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. You cling to the shadow and I cling to the substance. (Colossians 2:16-17)

I'm going to start trying to keep the sabbath. What time does it start and end? Sunset Friday to sunset Saturday? @TMS

No I'm not judge. God is judge.

I see it like this... the righteousness of Jesus is what is given to us by faith.

If we stand before God...we all have sinned.... we all fail, but if covered by Jesus's gift, we are seen as righteous.

Jesus will not give His righteousness to all.

Mat 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Not everyone "but he that doeth the will of My Father"
Depart...ye that work iniquity.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jesus will choose, (judge) who He will give His righteousness to and who He will not.

Faith without works is dead.

By faith we are saved in every way.

Mat 25:11-12
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Jas 2:19-20
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

2Co 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Believing is not enough... faith is more then believing.

Faith is seen in fruits of obedience.

Amen!

Amen! (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9)

(Romans 3:23; 6:23)

Only to genuine believers.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. *John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ) was stained with sin. Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation based on works. This is why Jesus referred to these many people as "workers of iniquity." God does not see the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) in unbelievers, but He see's all of their sins which remain and have not been washed away by the blood of Christ.

Believers. (Romans 4:5-6)

An empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone (barren of works) demonstrates that it's dead. (James 2:14-24)

Amen! Now how do you define faith? In Hebrews 11:1, we read that faith "is" the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

There will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that Jesus Christ never knew them. What a sobering thought! John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan (and not in Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

What is bad is burned up and what is good is rewarded. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)

The right kind of believing is enough. The word translated "believe" is from the greek word pisteuō which means "to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ).

We show our faith by our works/fruits of obedience, (James 2:18) yet we are still saved by faith and not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Faith is the root of salvation and works/fruits of obedience are the fruit. (Matthew 13:23) No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

Ok then, and everything that "goes with it," Correct?
(Exo_16:23,25,26,29)

Exo_20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

(Exo_20:10,11; Exo_31:14-16; Exo_35:2,3; Lev_16:31;
Lev_23:3,11,15,16,24,32,39; Lev_24:8; Lev_25:2,4,6;
Num_28:9,10; Deu_5:12,14,15)

And, on the chance that you "defile it"?:

Exo_31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people." (cp Num 15:32-36)
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I don't believe God Supports "pick and choose" theology.

Just sayin'...

Not keeping the sabbath would be the height of defilement, something I guess most people do. Since keeping God’s 10 commandments are required, it’s better late than never to try. That’s called repentance and that’s where mercy is found.

We have been redeemed from the curse of the Law remember. Do we make void the Law through Faith? GOD forbid! Yea, We establish the Law. Remember Rom.3:31

Do you observe the Sabbath?

Yes, absolutely! Every day, all day I am “in Christ” resting very peacefully and I refuse to do any work in my own strength.

He does everything for me and I simply give Him all the glory!

Your missing the fulfillment of the commandments, the law, by Jesus.

Once Jesus fulfilled the law, that is, all things, then the law became utterly ineffective.

Jesus established an entirely new and powerful covenant, the new has arrived and the old has been replaced.

The Old Covenant was a covenant of works, a covenant of human will striving to do what the law says.

The New Covenant is what the Holy Spirit can do through you, a covenant of grace, freedom, even eternal life.

The law ultimately pointed to Jesus and also revealed your inability to obey the law.

The law always was just a shadow and so was every event in the Old Testament.

So let's go back to Exodus 20:9 and see that it says : Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work...

So when you go from Monday to Saturday (both inclusive) you have six days. Thus the seventh day is Sunday -- THE LORD'S DAY -- and this is the Christian Sabbath. While Exodus 20:10 says nothing about worship and good works, we know from the NT that the Jews attended their synagogues on the Sabbath day to worship, and Christ observed the Sabbath (being made under the Law). But then He went one step further and earned the fury of the Jewish leaders. He did good works on Sabbath days, primarily healing miracles.

Thus Christ established the principle that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Included in that Lordship over the Sabbath was the fact that Christ would rise on the first day of the week (what we call Sunday) and establish it as the day of Christian (a) rest, (b) worship, and (c) good works. So the principle of Sabbath observance is already embedded in Christian worship.

Until the Seventh Day Baptists and the Seventh Day Adventists came along, Christians were content to regard Sunday as the Christian Sabbath. And in Western countries, laws were passed for all businesses and industries to shut down on Sundays. Those laws should be reinstated since every worker needs one day of rest,

The SDAs went one step further because of Ellen G. White. They taught their adherents that Sunday worship was equal to taking the Mark of the Beast! Can you imagine such a bizarre teaching being accepted by anyone?

There is a difference between the 10 commandments and the civil laws and laws contained in ordanaces.

The 10 were written by God on stone, the other laws were written by Moses in a book.

What are the laws about taking Gods name in vain? Laws about stealing, laws about adultery?

The 10 commandments do not contain civil laws, they define what sin is.

How?
Jesus obeyed the righteous requirements of the law so that He can give it to us by faith.
Because Jesus can give it to us by faith does not mean it no longer exists.

If the law is made void.... Why would Jesus give us this righteousness to stand before God Justified.

If the law is not valid and no longer requires us to keep it. Why would Jesus give us His righteousness?