What is the throne of grace?

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Dino246

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Heb 4:16
Who’s throne is it?
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The word is "whose", not "who's".

It's God's throne. It says so right there in the text.

"Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."
 

studentoftheword

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Heb 4:16
Who’s throne is it?
Thanks
Scripture will always answer scripture ======you just have to read it in context with the right lens

you just need Spiritual Glasses and the Holy Spirit's guidance


Hebrews 4 is all about God's people resting in Him and trusting His throne of Power ---Grace--- and coming to His Throne with Confidence and Boldness ------


Hebrews 4

Amplified Bible
The Believer’s Rest

Coming to God in prayer in Weakness is not trusting him fully --to help you in your time of need -----

When your Faith is grounded and rooted in God's Promises ---you will come in prayer with bold Confidence to His Throne of Power --Grace ---and present your need ------and know that it is done as soon as you pray it -----you will enter into His rest------and have confidence you will be helped

read the chapter and see the context ----

People who have wavering Faith will not enter into His Rest as they have not the Confidence to trust that the help will come ---The Throne of Grace is not as effective to their need ------
 
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The word is "whose", not "who's".

It's God's throne. It says so right there in the text.

"Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."
No Christ is at the right hand of the father in the great white throne described in revelation 4:5 22:1 it is very different from the throne of grace, Mary’s throne lk 1:28 full of grace as graces come thru her

God has the only one throne:
Matt 23:22 heb 1:8
Christ at the right hand of God
heb 12:2
Thanks
 

Dino246

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No Christ is at the right hand of the father in the great white throne described in revelation 4:5 22:1 it is very different from the throne of grace, Mary’s throne lk 1:28 full of grace as graces come thru her

God has the only one throne:
Matt 23:22 heb 1:8
Christ at the right hand of God
heb 12:2
Thanks
So you reject Scripture? Okay. I'm not surprised.

Scripture says absolutely nothing whatsoever about Mary having a throne, in Luke 1:28 or anywhere else.
 
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Scripture will always answer scripture ======you just have to read it in context with the right lens

you just need Spiritual Glasses and the Holy Spirit's guidance


Hebrews 4 is all about God's people resting in Him and trusting His throne of Power ---Grace--- and coming to His Throne with Confidence and Boldness ------


Hebrews 4

Amplified Bible
The Believer’s Rest

Coming to God in prayer in Weakness is not trusting him fully --to help you in your time of need -----

When your Faith is grounded and rooted in God's Promises ---you will come in prayer with bold Confidence to His Throne of Power --Grace ---and present your need ------and know that it is done as soon as you pray it -----you will enter into His rest------and have confidence you will be helped

read the chapter and see the context ----

People who have wavering Faith will not enter into His Rest as they have not the Confidence to trust that the help will come ---The Throne of Grace is not as effective to their need ------
No God throne is the great white throne Very different from Mary’s throne of grace
Lk 1:28 Hail Mary full of grace!
Thanks
 

studentoftheword

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No God throne is the great white throne
While there is a Great White Throne of Judgment -----for unbelievers ----




Hebrews 4 is not talking about the Great White Throne Judgment ------

God's Throne here is talking ---Believers -----Resting in God in their time of need -------and it tells you how your should approach the Throne to ask -------with Confidence

Prayer is your way to approach the Throne of God ----to ask for Rest in your timer of need ------





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The new covenant Spiritual family of God by supernatural grace in union with Christ the only mediator and communion with God and His saints!

Born again new birth from Mary our new spiritual mother, those who are “in Christ” are a new creation. And we were in Christ who was in Mary for nine months and Mary gave birth to Christ and us Her spiritual children. Lk 1:30, Lk 1:38, Jn 19:36-38, rev 12:17

Supernatural mother of the new covenant church by the sacramental grace of baptismal regeneration in Jesus Christ:

It is not possible to have Jesus Christ as your Bother and not have Mary most holy as your Mother!

Mother of our salvation:
Found our salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

Also cos Jesus Christ gave Her to us to be our spiritual mother: Jn 19:26-27

Also cos Jesus is our brother:
Rom 8:29 …that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
We are His many brethren; and bothers who have the same mother.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

But he that angereth his mother is cursed: of God. Eccl. 3:18

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Our holy one shall be called Mary:
Mother of fair love.

And our tender mother is immaculate purity!

Immaculate conception of Mary:
“Pure, sinless, consecrated to God alone” Gen 3:15 enmity total war between satan & Mary, none of his wicked works are found in Her.
Lk 1:28 full of grace, Lord is with Her, blessed. Lk 1:49 things plural
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity.

Mother of God: Lk 1:43

Assumption of Mary “body & soul” into heaven. Rev 12:1

No creature has ever had a biological family relationship with God except Mary:

And She has three:

Daughter of the eternal Father.
Mother of the Son of God.
Spouse of the Holy Spirit.

The living ark of the new covenant!
The spiritual mother of those living in Christ!

Song of Solomon 6:9-10
9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?

Mary is our spiritual mother cos She found our salvation Lk 1:30 and consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
And Rev 12:17

Cos we are the brethren of the Lord, and have the mother as He does.

Cos Jesus Christ explicitly gave the disciples His mother. Jn 19:26-28
 
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#12
The new covenant Spiritual family of God by supernatural grace in union with Christ the only mediator and communion with God and His saints!

Born again new birth from Mary our new spiritual mother, those who are “in Christ” are a new creation. And we were in Christ who was in Mary for nine months and Mary gave birth to Christ and us Her spiritual children. Lk 1:30, Lk 1:38, Jn 19:36-38, rev 12:17

Supernatural mother of the new covenant church by the sacramental grace of baptismal regeneration in Jesus Christ:

It is not possible to have Jesus Christ as your Bother and not have Mary most holy as your Mother!

Mother of our salvation:
Found our salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

Also cos Jesus Christ gave Her to us to be our spiritual mother: Jn 19:26-27

Also cos Jesus is our brother:
Rom 8:29 …that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
We are His many brethren; and bothers who have the same mother.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

But he that angereth his mother is cursed: of God. Eccl. 3:18

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Our holy one shall be called Mary:
Mother of fair love.

And our tender mother is immaculate purity!

Immaculate conception of Mary:
“Pure, sinless, consecrated to God alone” Gen 3:15 enmity total war between satan & Mary, none of his wicked works are found in Her.
Lk 1:28 full of grace, Lord is with Her, blessed. Lk 1:49 things plural
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity.

Mother of God: Lk 1:43

Assumption of Mary “body & soul” into heaven. Rev 12:1

No creature has ever had a biological family relationship with God except Mary:

And She has three:

Daughter of the eternal Father.
Mother of the Son of God.
Spouse of the Holy Spirit.

The living ark of the new covenant!
The spiritual mother of those living in Christ!

Song of Solomon 6:9-10
9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?

Mary is our spiritual mother cos She found our salvation Lk 1:30 and consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
And Rev 12:17

Cos we are the brethren of the Lord, and have the mother as He does.

Cos Jesus Christ explicitly gave the disciples His mother. Jn 19:26-28
It's bad form to paste the same thing over and over.
 
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So you reject Scripture? Okay. I'm not surprised.

Scripture says absolutely nothing whatsoever about Mary having a throne, in Luke 1:28 or anywhere else.
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Heb 4:16 throne of grace
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So you reject Scripture? Okay. I'm not surprised.

Scripture says absolutely nothing whatsoever about Mary having a throne, in Luke 1:28 or anywhere else.
Jesus Christ merited all graces, He is the source of divine grace true?
Jn 1:16-17
 

Dino246

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I said, "Scripture says absolutely nothing whatsoever about Mary having a throne, in Luke 1:28 or anywhere else."

Lk 1:28 full of grace
Heb 4:16 throne of grace
These two concepts do not go together to make a "throne of grace".

Gabriel's greeting to Mary was not in any way a recognition or conveyance of power to extend grace. It was a statement as to the role for which she had been chosen... period.
 

Dino246

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Jesus Christ merited all graces, He is the source of divine grace true?
Jn 1:16-17
"Merited all graces" is not a biblical concept. God the Father is the ultimate source of divine grace.
 

Aaron56

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Logical fallacy to follow:

Mary gave birth to Jesus. > Jesus was God. > Mary gave birth to God.

The truth: God is spirit. Mary gave birth to the flesh of Jesus but it was God's Spirit in Jesus that made Him the Christ. None of what Jesus received from Mary made Him the Christ.

Mary, as the queen of heaven, is a Roman heresy derived to keep the populous happy after transitioning from a polytheistic society to Christendom. It was much cheaper, also, to repurpose statues of Roman goddesses into "statues of Mary". That's why, to this day, Roman Catholics are obsessed with statues and depictions of early believers.