Do you believe everything the Bible says?

Oh what? I believe that. Do you?

I thought I'd been watching you devote a lot of energy lately to arguing that He will lose a lot of His own?

I was talking about a specific individual who was lost according to prophecy.

Specifically you espoused an untenable position on Judas with the express purpose of using him as an example to implicate The Good Shepherd could potentially lose literally every one of His sheep even though He says He won't lose even one.

Isn't that so?

How can that be reconciled with believing John 6:39?

Since the will of God is that Christ keep every single one of the saved securely saved, does He do the will of God or does a He fail to do the will of God?

Is He a good shepherd or a useless one?

Well, you aren't questioning me out of curiosity. You're questioning me because you think you're setting me up, but thank you. I relish the opportunity to prove to a fresh audience that Judas 100% was saved then 100% lost his salvation. Shall we do it again here?

Edit: actually, i don't want to derail my thread. I think I will open a new thread on this later and firstly point out all of the irrefutable key information complete with the authoritative words of Jesus.

How quickly would people stop believing everything the Bible says if it proved Judas was at one point told he would have eternal life then later lost his salvation?

Edit: actually, i don't want to derail my thread. I think I will open a new thread on this later and firstly point out all of the irrefutable key information complete with the authoritative words of Jesus

No idea why you would think it's a good idea to make it your goal to prove that Jesus lied to Judas

Please don't.

I mean if you could actually prove Christ is a liar yeah why would anyone keep believing the Bible

Lol

Either it was true Judas has eternal life or it wasn't true

So either Judas was never told he has eternal life, and the Bible is true, because he doesn't
Or Judas was told he has eternal life, and the Bible cannot be trusted, because he doesn't.

No, I am questioning your assertion that you believe everything the scripture says because you have in the very recent past very vocally, prolifically & clearly rejected what the Bible literally says.

You might think of it as 'setting you up' because you still don't understand that I speak to you for your good, but the reality is that you hold and preach unsupportable false doctrines contrary to scripture, and i am sent to help you correct them; to help you understand how to 'rightly divide' the scripture.

Rule #1
Christ is God: He is never not-God.

Corallary:
Everything He says is true. Nothing He says is ever wrong in any way.

Corallary:
What He says must be understood by His definitions, not your human ones.

Corallary:
If you ever have a position that makes Christ a liar or mistaken or in any way ever saying something false, it is you who are wrong and do not understand. Never Him.
Immediately throw away any such position and seek a right one. Continuing in any such position is vanity & death.

You're proving the point of this thread. lol. The Bible is truth to many, but from your perspective it makes liars out of people.

I believe everything the Scripture says. You

See, that's your motive. You like the idea that you feel justified to make false accusations about me.

These are not false accusations.
I quoted you saying all these things in another thread, and you denied none of them

You do not believe Judas has eternal life, but you believe Christ prophesied that Judas has eternal life.

How do you say you believe scripture while you believe Christ to be a false prophet?

You do not believe whoever believes in Christ has eternal life, but Christ says we do.

On what basis do you think that you are justified to make this thread given what you have been posting over the last two weeks?

Maybe I fail.
It I do not give up

Your false accusations are that I called Jesus a liar. Since that never happened, that's called a false accusation.

You say Christ can lie and still be true

If Christ says He loses none of His own you say He can still lose His own and not slave misspoken.

You deny that these are contradictions;
You do not deny that you believe these things.

I do not falsely accuse you; you accuse yourself without realizing that you are doing so.

What you need to do is reject any position that ascribes falsehood to Christ

But I think that you think of yourself more than you think of Him.

What I think of is how to never do anything less than glorify Him. As highly as possible

You clearly do not think this way
But I am sent to tey to teach you to think this way

Maybe I fail.
It I do not give up

Not false at all.
Thoroughly demonstrated & fully cited.

The only thing you denied is that making false prophesies makes someone a false prophet.

Which is so ludicrously illogical wow please do not make a whole thread dedicated to embarrassing yourself.

No one here wants that
We are for you not against you.

Your failures reflect on the entire church
Which is why i am sent

Please
Listen
God is not false
God is never mistaken or deceived


Glaubst du das wirklich nicht???