Who Justifieth the Ungodly

1 Cor 2:14 tells us that the natural man cannot receive, know understand the Gospel, its foolishness to him because it needs to be spiritually diserned. 1 Cor 1:18 collabboates

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Cor 2:14 relates to the Gospel !

nope ... subject changes to the mystery the hidden wisdom at 1 Cor 2:6.

1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


You can reject the truth of Scripture, but your rejection does not change truth of Scripture ... the Gospel is the Gospel ... the hidden wisdom is the hidden wisdom.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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No the subject never changes, Its about Christ and Him crucified throughout, Paul makes that clear here 1 Cor 2:1-6

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

The word howbeit is connective, it means and or moreover:

The objective was to bring about Faith, and joined to that objective, Paul explains further, we are speaking [Present active ]wisdom,

Now plainly Christ is that wisdom 1 Cor 1:23-24


23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Barnes writes about wisdom in 1 Cor 2:6

Gill writes

Christ and Him crucified was not hid. God revealed that Messiah would suffer ... read Isaiah 53.

The mystery, the hidden wisdom was hid in God until He revealed the mystery to Paul.

Romans 16:25 tells us the mystery was kept secret since the world began:

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began


Ephesians 3:4-5 tells us the mystery was not made known:

Ephesians 3:4-5 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit


Ephesians 3:9 tells us this mystery was hid in God from the beginning of the world:

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ


Colossians 1:26 tells us the mystery was hid from ages and from generations ... BUT NOW made known:

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints


For you to continue to insist the Gospel is the mystery is foolishness on your part.

God never hid the Gospel.
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The Gospel is hid to them that are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

1 Cor 2:14 is about the Gospel, its hid to the natural man, because he is in a lost state and or condition. The word hid is in the perfect tense meaning is completed once and for all.

Indeed. We do all sin, but if we do, we are to repent and confess.

Amen ! Thank God for repentance and remission of sins by the blood and the word of Christ Jesus or we would have no hope of overcoming death at all

Yes I agree but would say we’re all capable of sinning , it’s not something we are enslaved to any longer in Christ we can repent now as he enables us through faith and us stepping out into faith

we are all tempted sometimes at our weakest points and we sometimes fail the test of faith and do wrong or we do something not realizing it and later we then realize “ I did something wrong towards or to another person I’ve sinned against the lord and one of his children so I need to deal with my Heavenly Father on the matter because of I don’t my conscience will be damaged and haunt me until I get it right with the lord and person if I’m able to do that

I’m saying It’s when we become conscious of a sin we have committed that we’re going to repent because it’s going to bother our heart and mind

The reason it’s going to bother us so much is we are truly changing over time as we press forward on our faith wherever we are currently knowing it’s a lifelong journey and we never stop growing and learning things from the word and spirit of God in seven decades I realize everything I don’t know more than the little I do know

press forward even if I’m not educated and strong yet I can still hear and believe his word where faith begins for many we have to know and believe little
Bits before we can hear and believe more and more

many christians find a birth right here that leads to a life twenty years from now they never deserved or really should have a close father and son relationship with God it all grows from that one little seed one little line of eternal truth and thrower belief spurs then towards that promise they want to live

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes and 2 Cor 4:4 tells us the gospel is hid by satan ... not God.

Yet according to Eph 3:9 tells us the mystery was hid in God:

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ


you are so far off base that you've got satan in the place of God ... which is the goal of satan and you're playing right into satan's hand with your manipulation of Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Yes so its hid to them that are lost. As long as one is in a lost condition the Gospel is hid. The natural man is in a lost condition 1 Cor 2:14 so 2 Cor 4:3 affirms 1 Cor 2:14 !

The natural man cannot understand the Gospel 1 Cor 2:14, for its foolishness to him, it cannot be spiritually discerned by the natural man, the natural man is in a condition of lostness, and unfortunately, the Gospel is being hid to them that are lost, resulting in unbelief. 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1 Cor 2:14 speaks of the mystery, the hidden wisdom (1 Cor 2:7). You know this because I have explained it to you many times. However, you are free to suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) because God allows you to make that choice.

I have explained to you that your rendering of 1 Cor 2:14 and 2 Cor 4:3-4 contradicts Scripture but you hold to your error and that, again, is your choice.

Because you conflate the Gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom you have error upon error.


Because of your ignorance of Scripture you are blown about by a wind of doctrine (Eph 4:14) and reject the truth. Have at it, brightfame52.

brightfame52 said:

2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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2 Cor 4:3-4 tells us it is satan ... not God ... who attempts to hide the gospel.

Scripture also tells us the mystery ...

was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25)

in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:4-5)

hid from ages and from generations, but now made known (Col 1:26)

And according to Eph 3:9, the mystery from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God.


Since the mystery was hid in God from the beginning of the world, satan would have had no knowledge of it in order to hide it.

In addition, 1 Cor 2:8 tells us that if satan had known the mystery, he never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again the natural man, the unregenerate cannot receive/know, understand the Gospel thats what 1 Cor 2:14 says

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Gospel as is the scriptures is inspired by God 2 Tim 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So those who understand the scriptures, must be inspired by God, they must be spiritually discerned, so it is with the Gospel according to the scriptures 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Again the natural man cannot receive the Gospel with any spiritual understanding, its impossible since the Gospel must be Spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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