CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

the 1st part of the 70th year of daniel is peace and safety. not war and destruction.. Except for normal natural disasters which is just God removing his hand from the world and mankind causing these things to occur. as we see today..

You would have to prove that to me with scripture. Have not seen that yet, therefore my skepticism.

Thanks for your opinion. But seal 2 is the start of wars between people and nations..

The time of Gods wrath is the day of the lord.

It is the final 3.5 years. Or the great tribulation. Not the whole 7 year period

1. It has the day of the Lord happening BEFORE the things paul said must happen first, including the man of sin being revealed. which happens at the AOD

This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

RIDICULOUS!!!! I've got my copy of 88 reasons the rapture will occur in 1988. It Proves Scripturally BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT that we'll be OUTTA HERE during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!!!!

except -

"except" they used the very lame "Historicist" method of interpretation, incorrectly rendering the "1260 DAYS" as "1260 YEARS" [don't do that!!]... hello, anyone would come up with a "wrong conclusion" using that flawed method. lol

The major flaw was in choosing a time. Since no man knows the time, choosing a time guarantees it not to be that time.

I would encourage you to read over my posts regarding the verses stating "but of that day and hour KNOWETH [PERFECT indicative] no man" (even Jesus, at the time spoken--and context here being His Second Coming to the earth point in time [NOT "our Rapture"]), which "KNOWETH [PERFECT indicative]" word does NOT convey the meaning of "shall NEVER know" nor "CAN EVER know"... No.

Jesus (ever since His ascension / exaltation) Has known, and some 60+ years later disclosed FURTHER INFORMATION on THAT Subject in the (95ad) writing of Revelation... "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [unto Jesus] TO SHOW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (i.e. the 7-yr Trib "things") and so the "future" aspects of the book (4:1 and following) are riddled with various time-stamps and timing-indicators (some more readily apparent than others), that when coupled with the rest of Scripture, provides an outline / skeleton that can be plotted ON A CALENDAR... so that ppl who find themselves IN THE TRIB can and should be able to tell with some measure of accuracy the general time to expect His "RETURN" to the earth (at end of Trib, Rev19), the Subject of THAT VERSE (Matt24:36 and all its parallel passages saying same).

Hope that makes sense.
Again, I encourage you to read over some of my posts on that particular matter.




[This is also WHY one of the related passages states (in the context of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom!!), "And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through"... implying that by this point, the "hour" should be KNOWN ahead of its happening (i.e. the hour of His Second Coming to the earth Rev19--again, NOT speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" per context]



I disagree with the the part I underlined in your quote, as well. = )

I don't believe the book of Revelation is apocalyptic but prophetic so we won't find much agreement.

Thanks for taking the time to write out all that you did. We believe very differently about what is to come. I don't believe the book of Revelation is apocalyptic but prophetic so we won't find much agreement. While we agree that Jesus will return, our understanding of what that means is varies significantly.
Also, I'm a pretty simple guy. They way you tender your responses I find difficult to follow. So while I don't mind discussing eschatology, you will need to break out the Crayolas.

We believe very differently about what is to come.

I believe it is "prophetic"... so maybe we are in agreement??

(It is prophesying VERY SPECIFIC THINGS... including numerous time-stamps and various timing-indicators, as I'd mentioned.)



I believe one should be very wary of that which many ppl label "apocalyptic literature"... see this article I posted in past threads:

Apocalyptic Fixation – DR. RELUCTANT (wordpress.com)





Hope that helps you "see" my perspective a little bit better. = )

Do you believe that Jesus will be "RETURNing" to the earth (at the Rev19 time-slot)?? Feet touching the mount of Olives, and so forth...?? (Acts 1, "shall SO COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have SEEN Him traveling up to Heaven"... etc etc)

I believe He already did. I believe He will again.

... which I believe the Gog-Magog War is A PART of... noting the similarities of words found in both Seal #2 and Ezek38:4 ("all of them handling SWORDS")/ v.21's "SWORD [2x]" (including "every man's SWORD will be against his brother")... i.e. wars. (where the words "pestilence" [and so forth] follow in the next verse...)

And besides the "7 months" of burying the dead bodies and the "7 years" of burning the weapons, I've mentioned also the similarity in wording between what is stated in Ezek39:7 and that of what was said in the SECOND YEAR of Joseph's "7 year famine" in Gen45:1 [,6].
V.7 "SO [/in this manner] will I MAKE MY NAME KNOWN in the midst of My people Israel" (compare Gen45:1,6 "there STOOD NO MAN with him while Joseph MADE HIMSELF KNOWN UNTO HIS BRETHREN")... and noting the "wrath" wording in Ezek38:18,19.


Agreed.

But "the day of the Lord" is said to ARRIVE "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that comes upon a woman in labor, and Jesus spoke of those [PLURAL] as occurring prior to and leading up to the "AOD" [start of the GREAT tribulation]...

...noting especially the FIRST ONE He mentioned, which was Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]" which corresponds perfectly with the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" (2Th2:9a) of the man of sin, which verse corresponds with part "a" of Dan9:27 (9:27a) at the START of the "for ONE WEEK [/7 yrs]" (as well as Dan11:36-37=2Th2:4a,9) ... not at the LATER point in time (Dan9:27b, which corresponds with 2Th2:4b "sitteth," not to mention Dan11:12's "SET UP [H5414]" point in time, of the "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular]" Jesus referred to in Matt24:15--at the start of the GT [/second half of the 7 yr period]).

Additionally, the SEALS of Rev6 are equivalent "the beginning of birth pangs" Jesus spoke of... and the SEALS are included within the "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" per Rev1:1 / 1:19c [/4:1], i.e. the "future" aspects of the book (that is, AFTER the "24 elders" saying "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..." and wearing "stephanous / crowns" which are said to be awarded "IN THAT DAY"... not the day of Paul's / others' DEATHS, as many suppose).





Disagree, for reasons stated above... and many more...

I disagree that the man of sin is "revealed" at the AOD point in the chronology (though I do realize that is popular opinion and repeated endlessly over the world wide web and elsewhere, lol)... for reasons I stated in my previous post (and more).

Paul is covering the spans of the entire "7 years" in his 2Th2 text... not merely 3.5 yrs of it (i.e. from the MID-point, or AOD point in the chronology).

God and megog do not happen during a time of peace. It happens during as time of war.

May I ask... where you say, "I believe He already did"... do you mean, [what is commonly termed] His First Advent [i.e. prior to the Cross]? or do you mean (as I've put in other past posts) that He ascended TWICE: once ON FIRSTFRUIT / His Resurrection Day... and then again some "40 days" later (in Acts 1--when He went up to Heaven VISIBLY in sight of them standing there watching Him go up);

so in that sense, He did come to the earth already and will again in Rev19 (commonly termed 'His Second Advent').







But in the passages speaking specifically of His "RETURN" (such as Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 and its parallel passage in Matt24:42-51; and in Lk19:12,15,17,19 and its parallel passage in Matt25:14-30), and in the passages speaking specifically of "Son of man COMETH / coming/ shall come / coming of [etc]" ALL refer to His Second Coming to the earth Rev19 point in time (i.e. Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13,9... when EVERY EYE shall SEE Him), instead of the time following His first ascension ON FF / His Resurrection Day (when ONLY His carefully-chosen witnesses saw Him [for some "40 days"], not "everyone")... That'd be the difference, I would say.

What say you?