3 Statements...Just True or False

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I meant Jesus can be seen debating the political/religious elite called the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes.

Paul can be seen debating the Greek philosophers on Mars Hill (Acts 17:16-34)

Also the disciples and the council in Acts 15 at the council in Jerusalem.

1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had a heated argument and debate with them, the brothers determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue.

But it certainly helps!!!

This particular Christian reads on to verse 38-40 which clarifies God's will.

37Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.

39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

their hate for calvinism has them blinded.

Just like the flip side.. the calvinist who can not see because of his fear of being attacked or hatred for armenian

so many know it alls..

Pink Floyd?

whats said is, anyone would think it is false.

because it comes right out of Jesus words himself..

Not sure even slightly how that changes the original question.

If your neighbor is in error. Scripture tells us to rebuke and correct in love and patience.

The question is framed to imply that Father gives Jesus all those that come to Him in faith, or causes all those to come to Him to keep, while I think it more accurate that all those that come to Him in faith, are given to Jesus to keep.

I agree. Speak the truth in love. I'm just not sure what passes for love here is actually love.

True, True, True

Love, Walter

I know.
But that's NOT what Jesus SAID.

He said, "ALL those the Father GIVES Me.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

And before anyway counters with < "no one can come to me unless my Father draws him" I offer that this should somehow agree with Jesus' statement < "I will draw all men to Me, when I am lifted up" So it seems to me that the Father draws men to Jesus by sending Him to be lifted up, and gives Him all that believe in Him.
I really do feel quite uncomfortable posting here tho. Sort of like going to someone else's church to argue with them, which is rude, rather than allowing their freedom to worship. But I don't want to be rude and leave any questions unanswered.

Hello Cameron, you are welcome Brother.

Love, Walter

Nope. No vote change because in context John 3:16 God invites all. God wishes all to be saved 1 Timothy 2:4. God has opened the door to all and the one who comes, Jesus is faithful to fulfill His promise of salvation.

Jesus is faithful but not always the Christian as scripture also speaks of those who will fall away or apostate. Another reason why Jesus says to abide in the vine or be at risk of being cut off and thrown to the fire. Jesus leaves us no room for either believe this or that. Scripture doesn't contradict so it has to be this and this. They are to add to the interpretation.

If God wants all to be saved then why can't an all powerful God do that?

Why all the commands to believe, have faith, abide, remain, faithfulness, etc?

Why all the warnings to believers about being led astray?

Calvinism is just unBiblical but I don't believe it will lead someone to Hell. It is just the teachings of straw and hay versus silver and gold.

Gods grace is resistible.
Humanity is required to choose.
All are without excuse.
God's elect are those found in the Book of Life.

The Book of life is predestined by the foreknowledge of God knowing who will abide and who will not.

The no crowd is just as much Christian as you but interpret the Bible differently.

Oh well, this has been debated for centuries and a million times on Chistian chat.

I have questions and explanations though. Sorry!

Regarding Q1: When Adam actually sinned and ate of the fruit, didn't that show his heart and mind was already corrupted? Because sin starts in a person's heart or mind. The physical part of eating the forbidden fruit is usually the part you can see and is a result of what's already in the heart or mind.

Regarding Q3: This statement is incomplete to me and can't be answered at this point. It sounds like God chooses arbitrarily. Don't you ever wonder how God chooses people He wants to send to His Son?

John 6:37
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

But everyone so far just stops there. It sounds like the Father's choice have no rhyme or reason. But look further down the verses, it shows how God chooses the people He sends to His Son:

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

So God's choice isn't arbitrary at all. The people the Father sends to Jesus are those who hear the Father and learn from Him.

So if you had included that verse, I would have answered "True".