Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace

And I showed you why I called my will free multiple times I even countered the defenition you gave by saying I act freely out of necessity or fate all the time, and I am either blessed by those choices or I sufffer because of them

I did not demand you agree with me, You do not that is obvious

It does not mean I did not answer your question.

You have to get off the mindset that because someone disagrees with you. Does nt mean they have not answered you or listened to you.

God moves first in many ways..

the word
the holy spirit
his creation (romans 1)
people he has put in my life

I can not just start with one things, it was many things..

I get a little confused when others don't follow some sort of decorum for proper debate.

This is where someone needs to say that God lets us know that we are loved and forgiven

I experienced this in a very profound way when I was at or nearing one of the lowest points of my
life, feeling so broken and like such a failure and pretty hopeless and in a lot of emotional pain.

Although I did not believe in that God at the time, so it is one of those things that are a bit paradoxical.

I had gone to a neighbourhood church around Passover at the end of my marriage because they
were showing a movie based on the gospel of Luke, and I was curious to know Who Jesus was.

I did not leave with understanding of Who Jesus was(/is), but I did leave with the knowledge
that God loved me and forgave me even when I could not love or forgive myself, and that was
something I treasured, even as I thought, it's too bad it had to happen in a church -

Along with the experience of His love and forgiveness being imparted to me was also the knowledge that
He knew and understood all of how I had ended up where I was, and that I was undeserving of His love.

Not in a way that was shaming or to make me feel guilty. Just a knowing that I truly was unworthy.

I thought a lot about Jesus right after that, but it was many more years before I came to believe.

God purposed how the remnant would be redeemed by His Son's sacrifice. Then God Elected those He chose to Salvation.

The truth and validity of the Gospel does not hinge on the outcome of this or any other "proper debate".

Election?

Then God Elected those He chose to Salvation.

As to the point I was making about Adam not having the authority, I was referring not to his choice but to the fact, that he could not will the punishment out of existence. God was the Sovereign authority.

No. Put away Calvin's notebook (or your wild imagination or whatever you get these twisted ideas from) and crack your Bible open. God foreknew that many would reject Him and His Son, but it was neither His plan nor His desire.
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

Biblical debate is for the purpose of growing our knowledge

Thanks for sharing that with me. I too, can relate to many of the things you posted here. In my case, I really didn't care if God loved me but I did find I had a soft spot in my heart for Jesus. Maybe, not the true Jesus but when I watched things like the Ten Commandments or King of kings, it would make me cry seeing the wonderful things God supposedly had done. But after an hour or two, I didn't really care. Reading the Bible was just a bunch of gobble-de-goop.

Then as I was enjoying my sinful life - without a care in the world - something happened. I am not sure exactly when but I found my self asking questions about various things - things I knew I could only get the answer to in the Bible. I later realized that God at some point had quickened me. I had been born again. What I once cared nothing about, was now my all in all.

Maybe I should ask you, where do you see God moving first and in what way?

and not for spreading False Doctrine. You seem to have a lot invested in your elitest Calvinistic garbage, but it does not pass for "Biblical Knowledge".

What I once cared nothing about, was now my all in all.

You are welcome I cared about knowing I was loved, perhaps having something to do with having grown up in a large family where we were never shown affection or told we were loved. I did not have just the knowledge of being loved passed on to me in that experience, for it was more like my whole body was filled with the light of His love. It was overwhelming and more love than I had ever felt or experienced in my life, before or since. And along with that came the knowledge that He knew me fully... I entered into a phase of spiritual seeking after that, which engaged me for many years as I worked full time and eventually began working on developing a sideline concerning my main pagan interest, which is what I was called out of in another profound experience fifteen years after that first one. In the meantime I knew God was working in my life, but I was opposed to the Biblical God and Christianity, and anything to do with organized religion; that may have had something to do with my strict religious upbringing, which I rebelled fairly heartily against.

An example of how I knew God was working in my life was while chasing after love, at the end of a relationship, when I sat down to write out my feelings, right away I was so so so tired of feeling the way I did, and a cry rose up as from the depth of my being for God to help me. Within days I was clean and sober after 24 years of drinking and drugging. I lost the desire to use mind and mood altering substances, and began in earnest working on my "recovery." That entailed a lot of meetings in different fellowships and seeking guidance and support from others who also encouraged me to pray, which I did. I relapsed after eight years but was still not a believer at that point. I passed my twelve year milestone not too long ago

May God continue to work in your life. For your good and His Glory.

They only have to be honest enough to answer one true question:

Do you love the Lord your God, with all of your heart, mind and soul?

That response, right there, always cracks me up.

Put away Calvin's notebook

It cracks me up, how some of you think it's all about Calvin.

The things that I have learned over the years, are from my studies and the Holy Spirit's assistance in those studies. I have never even read a book by John Calvin. Nor do I pay any attention to his commentaries.

But I will say this, from very early on in my Christian life, like two weeks into believing God's Word, I had already seen the Truth of God's Sovereignty, His electing Grace and the depraved spiritual condition of mankind. It was all there in the Book of John.

I was probably a Christian for about six months before I ever heard of John Calvin and then it was - John Calvin who?