Matthew 24:34 (Fig Tree Generation)

Pre-mill/futurist/pre-trib rapture is the only way to go biblically.

I have a great deal of pity for the a-mills/post-mills/preterists/historicists. I have no idea how they can endure existence in that state of mind. A life without hope of the imminent rapture. Bummer.

Glad I did my homework and did not go that direction. Blessed hope indeed.

As far as I know, all regenerated persons of historic pre-mils, a-mils and post-mils views look for the second coming and it is a blessed hope, but we don't know if it is imminent or not. The second coming may be later today or it may be 1000 years from now.

I'll say I do not know more than Jesus did when he said, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man...Therefore you also must be ready; for the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect." (Matt 24:36-39, 44 RSV)

Not only the unsaved will not be expecting Jesus' return, the believers, the "you" Jesus was speaking to were warned to always be ready because He'll come unexpectedly.

I spent years indoctrinated with the 1917 Scofield and then the 1967 Scofield, until I finally realized those annotations were man's idea 'read into' the scriptures, which actually refuted the footnotes. I also began to see the imminent, pre-trib views were an escapism.

Good questions. = )

I'm going to try to make this post very brief (so I hope it won't end up too "choppy" lol).



First off, I think Scripture informs us that there is a distinction between:

--"a fig tree PLANTED IN his vineyard"... ( Lk13:6 - https://www.blueletterbible.org/sea...planted+in+his+vineyard&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1 )... though certainly closely associated...

... where "vineyard" refers to "Israel" (per Isa5:7 - "For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel..." - https://biblehub.com/isaiah/5-7.htm )...

... so the "fig tree" is [something] "PLANTED IN" Israel, but is not exactly Israel itself (but certainly something associated in some way).





Secondly, the TIMING (and SEQUENCE) issues...

Where Luke 21:32 states, "Truly I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away UNTIL ALL SHALL HAVE TAKEN PLACE," this "ALL" must necessarily INCLUDE the items already having been spoken about in v.24 (some very "OF-LENGTHY-DURATION" items!).
So with regard to the phrase "this generation," its force is MORAL (not speaking of a particular length of an individual person's life-span, or what have you)...those opposing Christ will exist on the earth UNTIL Christ's Second Coming to the earth.



The one written in Matthew 24:34 (your verse in OP), "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" refers specifically to all the "tauta [THESE things]" having just been spoken of in THIS text... which from verse 4 onward is speaking of the future Tribulation period [7 yrs] (FOLLOWING "our Rapture") which time-period will LEAD UP TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth (the "SEALS" equivalent to "the beginning of birth PANGS" here spoken of, as well as spoken of in Mk13:5-8 and Lk21:8-11 [SAME]);

Lk21:25-36 also fits within that future time-period (and we see again the reference to "fig tree" mentioned in this section).

Whereas, Lk21:12-24a is covering the events surrounding the 70ad events (in its saying, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [BEFORE ALL THESE beginning of birth pangs (spoken of from vv.8-11; parallel Matt24:4-8 and Mk13:5-8)]--the 70ad events in vv.12-24a must come "BEFORE ALL THESE [BoBPs]"--and I do not say "immediately before," because, again, the "BoBPs" take place in the future 7-yr Trib period, EQUIVALENT the "SEALS" of Rev6, which themselves are a PART OF what "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" per Rev1:1 [/1:19c/4:1], i.e. the 7-yr period leading up to His RETURN to the earth Rev19)...


[this pertains to the SEQUENCE ISSUES of the Olivet Discourse... some things said to take place "BEFORE ALL" these beginning of birth pangs (i.e. the 70ad events); and other things are what take place FOLLOWING the beginning of birth pangs... so in Matthew 24, the "BoBPs" (aka the SEALS--IN the future "7 yr period) are in vv.4-8, and what follows on from there are the "[till] all THESE things [be fulfilled]" (including the "fig tree" reference and the "know [that summer is] nigh" reference, v.32, then the following verse states, "LIKEWISE, when ye SHALL SEE all THESE things, know that IT is NIGH, even at the doors" (the "IT" being His promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age commencing upon HIS RETURN to the earth, per vv.29-31... having just been spoken about]


... so where I see the reference in Matt24:34 being primarily with regard to TIMING issues (when SEE all THESE things), I am not 100% saying the "fig tree" thing [tho not identified as "Israel" in particular, but something that had been "PLANTED IN" his vineyard/Israel] is not going to be involved also, it very well could be (and I tend to think perhaps SO), but it would only pertain to the time-period WHEREIN this is being referenced (that is, in Matt24:34 [mentioned AFTER the "BoBPs/SEALS]; in Mk13:28 [mentioned AFTER the "BoBPs/SEALS]; in Lk21:29 [mentioned AFTER the "BoBPs/SEALS"], which are yet "future" [i.e. FOLLOWING "our Rapture"]--and possibly referencing it as commensurate with those "BoBPs" / that time-period [/the Trib period of 7-yrs]... if that makes sense. LOL)




[ugh... I was gonna TRY to be brief!]

but we don't know if it is imminent or not. The second coming may be later today or it may be 1000 years from now.

We are just.....waiting....

I hope that "smiley" is showing the actual word "EAGERLY-WAITING [G553]" !!! ( )... [Phil3:20, 1Cor1:7, Rom8:23,25, Gal5:5]

There are those of us who know better.....

Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled. - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

@cv5 , I've not watched that video for a long while (in your Post #40), but from what I remember, they explain the matter fairly well in that vid...

... that is, the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse... (which issue I only touched on briefly in this thread)...

... resulting in the fact that there are TWO DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" episodes being spoken of:

--ONE being in the 70ad events (per Lk21:23,20);

--the OTHER being in the years immediately preceding and LEADING UP TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth in Rev19
(i.e. in the future "Trib" years [commonly-so-called]), per Matt24:15,21[Dan12:11[,1]... but see also v.13 where Daniel is told he will "rest [in death] and STAND IN THY LOT [be 'resurrected--'to stand again' (on the earth)]' at the END OF THE DAYS [at the END of the 'days' referenced in that text--which did NOT occur in the events surrounding 70ad... meaning the 'resurrection' of OT saints, which will take place at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth ("IN the LAST Day"--not speaking of "a singular 24-hr day" kind of day, btw... but rather FOR THE MK AGE)]



[ONE takes place "BEFORE ALL" the BoBPs; the OTHER takes place AFTER the BOBPs (and not "immediately after")]

It is just a brief introductory message......but with the graphics it is easy to understand. Short, sweet and to the point.

The thing is......Israel IS now an independent nation. And there is every reason to believe that the "captivity of the nation" of 606BC has ended since 1948.

http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

2520 (360 day) years from both 606BC (1948 nation) and 586BC (1967 Jerusalem). Not a coincidence, not by a longshot.
The precise day for setting the start of prophetic clock is known for the 1967 retaking of Jerusalem.

Start of the 70 year judgement:
Eze 24:1
Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 24:2
Son of man, write thee the name of the day, even of this same day: the king of Babylon set himself against Jerusalem this same day.
2Ki 25:1
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came, he, and all his host, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it; and they built forts against it round about.
Jer 52:4
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.

End of the 70 year judgement. Prophetic clock STARTS TICKING HERE to 1967.
Hag 2:15
And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD:
Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

Reading Matthew 24:3 the question asked was what is the sign of his return, the end of the age, and the destruction of the Temple.

Nothing there about when Israel would be a nation again. They would ask him that question later.

Reading Matthew 24:3 the question asked was what is the sign of his return, the end of the age, and the destruction of the Temple.

Nothing there about when Israel would be a nation again. They would ask him that question later.

There have been many failed predictions of the end of the world made all down through history. Wikipedia has quite a list of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

He is speaking about the end of the world and the signs leading up to it. Israel becoming an independent nation is not the intended meaning.