Salvation is for the Whole World
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I think we disagree on these terms, since you say a person is born again even
before they have any faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. I find it
difficult to accept that a person can be born again devoid of faith in the shed
righteous blood of Christ, and belief in the One True God and His plan of salvation
for the saving of our souls... since when a person is born again, they are sealed with
the Holy Spirit of God. Ephesians 1:13 “When you heard the word of truth, the gospel
of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.”
I am under the impression that our hearts are circumcised before any of that can happen,
though we can still experience God as He draws us before we are born again and sealed.
The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying: “Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting
love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you." He does the same to this day.
before they have any faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. I find it
difficult to accept that a person can be born again devoid of faith in the shed
righteous blood of Christ, and belief in the One True God and His plan of salvation
for the saving of our souls... since when a person is born again, they are sealed with
the Holy Spirit of God. Ephesians 1:13 “When you heard the word of truth, the gospel
of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.”
I am under the impression that our hearts are circumcised before any of that can happen,
though we can still experience God as He draws us before we are born again and sealed.
The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying: “Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting
love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you." He does the same to this day.
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How do you define them? Could you please clarify?
Some people say such things as nobody can experience God unless they are already
born again, but it is the Holy Spirit of God that convicts the lost world of their sin.
The experience of being convicted of our sinful state before God and believing in God can be separated by years of unbelief.
Those who say we are born again when we experience God seem to conflate His drawing us with being born again.
Some people say such things as nobody can experience God unless they are already
born again, but it is the Holy Spirit of God that convicts the lost world of their sin.
The experience of being convicted of our sinful state before God and believing in God can be separated by years of unbelief.
Those who say we are born again when we experience God seem to conflate His drawing us with being born again.
The backsliding people of spiritual Israel, who still retain the promise of an eternal inheritance, can respond by repenting, when they are pricked in their hearts from hearing the gospel preached. The natural man, before he has been quickened to the new spiritual life, cannot respond to the things of the Spirit.
Preaching the gospel can deliver those who are born again from their disobedience as they live here on earth, but preaching the gospel is not the cause of anybodies eternal deliverance. That is accomplished by God's sovereign grace, without the help of mankind.
I did too!! But lately I've been wondering... (that's always a bad sign 
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I'm going through an Ephesians teaching thing, and the guy pointed out that we are a tri-unity being - body, soul spirit- but that we are "dead" spiritually and go through life living according to the desires of the body (flesh) and soul (mind/emotions):
Eph. 2:1-3
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
So, furthermore, he contends that the "prince of the power of the air" is also active in our lives... him being the dominant spiritual force in our lives? IDK
So, is that the spirituality that I was considering way back then?
)I'm going through an Ephesians teaching thing, and the guy pointed out that we are a tri-unity being - body, soul spirit- but that we are "dead" spiritually and go through life living according to the desires of the body (flesh) and soul (mind/emotions):
Eph. 2:1-3
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
So, furthermore, he contends that the "prince of the power of the air" is also active in our lives... him being the dominant spiritual force in our lives? IDK
So, is that the spirituality that I was considering way back then?
If a person thinks on spiritual things, it is evidence that he has already been born again to the new spiritual life.
Satan does not teach anyone about spiritual things.
Romans 8:9
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Several verses speak to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, while many others speak to the Filling of the Spirit. In a previous study I found that many of the verses that speak of being filled were commanded, according to the Greek. However, the indwelling was never a command.
I believe we are indwelt at our new birth, and filled when we are in fellowship. It is possible to lose that fellowship through unconfessed sin. We are told not to grieve or quench the Holy Spirit by sinning.
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Several verses speak to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, while many others speak to the Filling of the Spirit. In a previous study I found that many of the verses that speak of being filled were commanded, according to the Greek. However, the indwelling was never a command.
I believe we are indwelt at our new birth, and filled when we are in fellowship. It is possible to lose that fellowship through unconfessed sin. We are told not to grieve or quench the Holy Spirit by sinning.
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But man does. And eternity has been placed within the heart of man. His conscious also bears witness, as does creation. Anthropologists have never encountered a civilization void of some expression of religion.
I would venture that most, if not all people, have some consideration of the eternal at some point in their lives. Interest may or may not be evidence.
I would venture that most, if not all people, have some consideration of the eternal at some point in their lives. Interest may or may not be evidence.
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John 3:16. "for God so loved the WORLD......that's all of us.......that He GAVE His SON on the CROSS.
OR as Jesus says....."if i be Lifted UP.....on The Cross = .I wil draw ALL people to me"...
""""""""""but Calvin says that God only gave the Cross for the elect, and they didnt choose Jesus, God forced them to believe".::::::::
= Well, "Calvin" is a heretic, a liar, a deceiver, and the last time i checked..... there is no "Epistle by Calvin" in the Bible.
A lot of people who worship Calvin, would tell you that J. Calvin wrote the bible.
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I agree in every person's life at some point in time their mind wandered and they entertained the idea what I see is clear evidence of a God.
Does that mean I should believe God is real?
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That is why God is justified on the Judgment Day when He gives out judgements. People already had a idea about God and made a decision if He's real or not. They flat out rejected Him.
Does that mean I should believe God is real?
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That is why God is justified on the Judgment Day when He gives out judgements. People already had a idea about God and made a decision if He's real or not. They flat out rejected Him.
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I'll alert the media .
Just cuz agreement is so rare! .
Just cuz agreement is so rare! .
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I'll alert the media .
Just cuz agreement is so rare! .
Just cuz agreement is so rare! .
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A person that references all of the salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, is a very confused person, that has to figure out ways that their good works are necessary to achieve eternal salvation.
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered, and save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.
Those children that are going through the process of being adopted as God's children are only delivered one time, eternally, but are delivered many times as they sojourn here on earth, by their good works, in following his commandments
If you ascribe all of the deliverance scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will tend to teach eternal deliverance is accomplished by one's good works.
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered, and save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.
Those children that are going through the process of being adopted as God's children are only delivered one time, eternally, but are delivered many times as they sojourn here on earth, by their good works, in following his commandments
If you ascribe all of the deliverance scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will tend to teach eternal deliverance is accomplished by one's good works.
Iyam, I think it has to do with Hypengyophobia, which may be rooted in the fear of failure. Yet, putting faith, or confidence, in a (most assuredly) (solid; immovable; rock) sure thing, has never, nor will ever, fail.
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.- 1Timothy 2:4 (KJB)
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.- 1Timothy 2:4 (KJB)
Saved=delivered, according to Strong's concordance. When a babe in Christ matures enough to com unto a knowledge of the truth he is delivered from his ignorance.