The plan to destroy America

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ThereRoseaLamb

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JTB said:
Then you haven't been listening. Biden's a crook, Clinton's a crook, Obummer's a crook, they all oughtta be in jail. But I don't have to spend time here convincing you of that.

What I DO have to spend time here doing, is convincing you that what you think is the answer to them, really is not.
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I have no idea who the next man in office will be. At this point, I don't even know if we're gonna make it that far. With banks failing, inflation rising, I don't know if anyone can turn this ship at this point. The Titanic has already hit the berg. Without a miracle, she's goin' down. But then I don't believe the end times revolve around America. I believe it revolves around Israel. So that's what I'm keeping an eye on. America, not so much.
 
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Cameron143

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JTB said:
Tell me a right you have lost.

As opposed to the rights conservatives are taking away from others
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Limitations on gun ownership
Free speech
Right to live
The power of government used to bankrupt people who oppose them
Just off the top of my head.

What constitutional restrictions do you believe Republicans are restricting?
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Because Trump didn't do what you're saying, that is why!!!
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Well then he can certainly have his day in court. They have to prove that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, a pretty easy standard for most lawyers to get over.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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ZNP said:
Well then he can certainly have his day in court. They have to prove that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, a pretty easy standard for most lawyers to get over.
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Well I was talking about something else that was said, but I don't disagree with you.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Limitations on gun ownership
Free speech
Right to live
The power of government used to bankrupt people who oppose them
Just off the top of my head.

What constitutional restrictions do you believe Republicans are restricting?
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I can buy a gun.
I can stand on the corner and have my say
I can live however I want
And yeah the government is bankrupting people but that's not just coming from one side.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Ok, I'll bite, what rights are conservatives taking away?!
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Uhm....

The right of people to marry whoever they want?
The right of people to read what they want?
The right of people to be irresponsible?

Sure, too many people are marrying and reading the wrong things and being irresponsible.

But Jesus never took those rights away from anyone. And if we call ourselves His followers, neither should we.

Our job is to instruct, not enforce
 
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JTB said:
I can buy a gun.
I can stand on the corner and have my say
I can live however I want
And yeah the government is bankrupting people but that's not just coming from one side.
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You can live. But unborn babies, arguably the weakest among us, are not always afforded such liberty.
That you don't recognize how speech online was curbed and by government itself is pathetic. Anyone who truly treasures free speech will want it for all.
And you may get a gun...but it may not hold many bullets and you may not carry it all the time.
Your indifference to real infringement of constitutional rights is frightening to me.
 
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JTB said:
Uhm....

The right of people to marry whoever they want?
The right of people to read what they want?
The right of people to be irresponsible?

Sure, too many people are marrying and reading the wrong things and being irresponsible.

But Jesus never took those rights away from anyone. And if we call ourselves His followers, neither should we.

Our job is to instruct, not enforce
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Nothing you mentioned is a constitutional right except the second. And parents have the right to restrict what their children read.
 
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Cameron143

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JTB said:
Uhm....

The right of people to marry whoever they want?
The right of people to read what they want?
The right of people to be irresponsible?

Sure, too many people are marrying and reading the wrong things and being irresponsible.

But Jesus never took those rights away from anyone. And if we call ourselves His followers, neither should we.

Our job is to instruct, not enforce
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It's also a ridiculous argument that we should only instruct.
We don't legislate morality. That's because moral behavior is beneficial to society. There are no laws against morality so you can practice moral behavior all you like.

We have laws against immorality. And the bible is replete with such restrictions. And Jesus clearly taught against such and will one day be the very one who enforces the penalty. Don't mistake longsuffering with allowance.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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JTB said:
Uhm....

The right of people to marry whoever they want?
The right of people to read what they want?
The right of people to be irresponsible?
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Explain to me why you back liberal POVs over conservative. Jesus came for a reason. He wasn't here for politics, he never married or had children, He came for one single purpose. We have to live here till He returns. If you want to sit and let the country go to hell, fine. But don't trash others who want to protect our children and families.
 
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JTB said:
I can buy a gun.
I can stand on the corner and have my say
I can live however I want
And yeah the government is bankrupting people but that's not just coming from one side.
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A woman was arrested for praying quietly on a sidewalk in the UK, the government in the US and Canada has been shutting down bank accounts for people they disagree with, like when they were raising money for Kyle Rittenhouse defense or for the truckers protest in Canada. In NYC you can't buy a gun, people who own guns legally have been arrested when they land in NYC, and you sure can't have your say on tech platforms. People were suspended and had accounts removed simply for speaking things that we now know are true. Those accounts were often critical to their business. Many people have been fired because they expressed Christian views on their social media. If they can deplatform the president of the US do you think they will hesitate with you?
 
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And perhaps the greatest reason to fight for the purity of our nation is what will inevitably come if we don't...

Proverbs 14:34...Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

The negative things that have come to our nation, and nations around the globe, are a direct result of the people of those nations forgetting God and pursuing a life they believe is unaccountable to Him. Doing more of the same will not make things better.
 
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JTB said:
Hmmm.... not altogether untrue, but maybe a little off target

You see an enemy in the left, and that's not wrong. The problem is, thinking the enemy of your enemy is your friend. That is also wrong.

Opposing sin is one thing. Jesus opposed sin. But Jesus never forced anyone to adhere to His teachings. They were free to accept or reject and go about their way. That, is free will ... freedom ... democracy.

Where we're at now, trying to force others to adhere to what Jesus gave them a choice of. That is taking free will ... taking freedom ... fascism.

For sure antifa is against a whole lot more than fascism, and is pushing a Godless agenda.

But we should not, can not, allow ourselves to abandon Godly principals in our fight against Godlessness.

And that includes taking away the freedom Jesus gave to us all.
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You raise some good points.

To be clear I see enemies in all camps, trust no one.

I think the only think we can do is stay informed and try not to be propaganized from either side(s).
 
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Cameron143 said:
Limitations on gun ownership
Free speech
Right to live
The power of government used to bankrupt people who oppose them
Just off the top of my head.

What constitutional restrictions do you believe Republicans are restricting?
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You have lost your mind, probably due to losing the top of your head.
 
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