Some clarity needed.

“That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:9-10, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Amen And God the Son Jesus said no one comes to the father accept through me,

And then God the father said I will never Forsake you or leave you.

And then God the holy Spirit sad "In [Christ] we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will"

And Then God the holy spirit said

and our inheritance is in Him is also holy, blameless, exalted, and pure. No earthly corruption or weakness can touch what God has bestowed.

He is the apostate one, he shows exactly what apostacy is.

Yes it’s also seen in the tribes of Israel

There are many apostate between him and now. He is one of many. The rabble that held aloft palm branches and praised his name, and then followed the masses in crying for his death, to the ones today who deny/ reject their baptism.

Hi paran, sorry I didn't even see your posts, I've been trying to understand so many people's perspectives and reading posts and other threads started by other members now who are commenting befor replying back to them now.
I've decided to take this approach befor replying back to people,
I can see all your posts have Good intensions,
I've discovered that you must be born again isn't talked about that often when people say you must believe in Christ to be saved, it isn't followed up by you then must be born again of the first fruits of the spirit.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I tested a taxi driver out befor and I asked him are you born again. He said are you going on about reincarnation and laughed and said I don't think I've seen you befor and then asked are you ok, wondering if I was a wacko I think.,

the only reason I asked him was because he had a cross on his window.
It seems to be quite common that people have many different meanings to being born again.

It's the point of deliverance that is so important, for a new convert to recieve Christ to have full acceptance.

New believers in Christ need to feel they will be kept for ever and believe there soul will be born of the fruits of the spirit befor deliverance..

The born again atheist has hit the world with a ticket to hell.

This is how the story goes for the born again atheist

well this is cool I can try Jesus out and being born again and if I'm not happy I can try something else out like becoming a budda or something. Because I have free will to choose.

anyone who is not a believer in Christ is going to hell.

It shouldn't be allowed this doctrin because if new converts has doubts in there belief of acceptance, they may not become born again in the first place.

Every Christian in the world who has knowledge would know not to suggest such a thing that you can turn away from God forever.

Yes you can say theese things,

but can you actually do that,

and is it even possible if your born again to walk away , ?. Look at the amount of people on cc believe they could just out of 17 votes,

I'm shocked that we now have a born again Christian becoming a born again atheist.

And hardened in this belief to. And even worse Christians being called false teachers if they dissagree.

I'm not going to waste any more time replying back to this disagreement. It's totally absurd.

I would suggest you don't either.

I don't believe there are many, there are some, I believe there are denominations.

Those folks who followed Him with Palm branches and days later were crying for His death were back again on the day of pentecost getting saved.

... you betcha

It's about what the Bible says, not what someone at CC wishes were true.

2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

John 6:
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

"your grace still amazes me. Your love is still a mystery. Each day I fall on my knees cus your grace still amazes me".

Be nice or helpful for me if some thread or post that only posted verses.. it would be so wonderful if they would also add what they were thinking. Some posts here I am left with "what's this have to do with Salvation, flesh and spirit'? So I understand how the OP is looking at this.

Take some sunglasses or reg glasses and dip them in really thick mud let it dry. Now go to somewhere you have never been put them on and talk about what you see. Do you know the Torah, word of God inside and out? Nicodemus did and still didn't understand. Kept trying to see the supernatural with the natural. All this is like if you had kids how they might have told you they are running away. You just smile help them pack maybe and then remind them don't cross the street. Its so cute. The 12 walked with Him drank, ate, slept with Him just few feet away. After some years at some point He could then ask them "if you love me keep my words" not if you believe in me they already did they as He said years before that their names were already written in heaven. The demons saw Christ coming not once did they cry out forgive us forgive us we are so unworthy. No it was what do you want with us have you come to torment us before our time.

So I think about salvation and the sweet holy Spirit comes to mind. For you too right? See for me I had to ask for Him according to Luke 11 13. Its what the 120 had to wait for. Yes Christ breathed on them yet they had to wait for that promise. So He only talks about Christ and about the Father and whats in the mind of the Father. So you that know you can lose your salvation please share about Him the sweet holy spirit and what HE shows you. Not talking about what this or that verse says. See as in Acts "the holy Spirit said". He talked to them. So He must also talk to you right? Christ said my sheep know my voice. What about 1st Cor 13 or the fruits of the spirit?

All this has to do with salvation. It is HIM and then its endless. So how can you walk away from someone you truly don't know? You me are just a child thinking we can run away any time we want. The Father just smiles. So.. its clear were not really talking about a few lines of text never even touches it. Just try to remember the weak in the faith. Remind others its what you personally believe and then why.

Do you believe you could forfeit your salvation.. yes!

examples; Judas, Lucifer becoming Satan, the flesh is mortal the soul immortal until you decide not to be on the right side with GOD.
RP

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

Grace, Peace, And JOY!… + RICH Blessings

op: do I believe I can 'lose' God's Eternal Salvation?
No, 144 Biblical Reasons that I cannot:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance

Proverbs 26:17-19

I will second Graces welcome to Christian chat and hope that when your faith grows, you won't still believe you could personally,

In the mean time maybe this brother's wisdom will help

Being born again, is proof that God has accepted you, saved you, and will keep you.

Philippians 1:6

That's correct, but for me personally it's the fruits of the spirit that become more abundant in my own personal character that is evidence for myself personally, that I'm born of the fruits of the spirit, all tho at times I've doubted that myself.



But God knows what to do at the point of deliverance , but God knows what to do. He spent a whole life time disciplining The Jews with love even Know they where rejecting Belief and trusting God by his word.

So whilst where not God, we do spend the same time disaplining our children, with the same tolerance, but God wouldn't expect us to Disaplin all those who don't believe as we do, maybe become tolerant in the belief that Just as no one comes to the father accept through the son, but God the father can bring a new believer to the son, which could take 40 years,. I think this is where we can avoid thinking legalism, for those who don't express, but God is mighty to save, but I see a common hindrance now, but anyhow those who are recieving the lord on the basis they can walk away, at least there's hope they may not. And hopefully have a re deliverance.

I was hoping for some more clear dialogue about this from others, I know it's difficult to explain, and your understanding helped me to see something but I'm still not clear.

I don't think this is easily understood,
In one translation of Gen 2.7 it says God formed man out of the ground and man became flesh, then it says God breathed life in to man and he became a living soul,

Now in another translation Of Gen 2.7 it's says God breathed life into man and man became a living being.

So I have to assume this means when God breathed on Adam
The flesh became alive with a living mind and developed a conscience,

When we then look to scripture we see People of the old t in different realms, who where yet to be born of the holy spirit, so it must be there mind and conscience that goes there,

so then we have to believe a human body is able to give birth to a mind and conscience but still different in some way to each person.

Because the way im seeing this If God breathed life in to each new creation at birth each person would be a new Adam or eve.

Separate to all this if we only have a mind and conscience befor we recieve the spirit that means our minds are protected and saved for ever, because man and woman failed to keep there minds uncorrupted, the mind and conscience of living man needed a saviour a different type of a free will in the form of a new seed, from Jesus. Which where the fruits of the spirit,

Scriptures says we will know our brothers and sisters by there fruits, which means there character expressed from there mind and heart, which has been blessed by the holy spirit.
Jeremiah 1.5
we see scripture that says I knew you befor you where in your mother's womb,

does that apply to Jeremiah only and nobody else, Jeremiah was a special person a prophet.

How can we assume that Jeremiah 1.5 means everybody.

Jesus either puts you on probation until you keep the whole law completely, because His Sacrifice was lacking in adequate satisfaction of the Father's justice,
OR
Salvation is eternal life which was fully paid for by the Savior alone for undeserving sinners.

Which is it?

"16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

John 3

Blessings! 🍵🙂📖