The turn or burn gospel.

Ive always had a hard time with the teaching of the turn or burn gospel.
In short preaching a loving GOD that demands that you believe or are cast into everlasting torment seems to me to be a oxy moron.
Is there something I'm missing?
Ive discovered something the Lord may have pointed to that may be what is missing but first would like to hear others view points.
Eternal damnation is a heavey price to pay which is what the wages of sin brings.
In this day and age as the nations are being addressed by their actions by God it has shown me a great deal of proofs of simple truths. Which we can share later on.

Well how's this for an oxymoron: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16) Since these are the words of Christ, the matter does not need any further comment.

think of it as God creating a perfect world to fill with his beloved children

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If evil people exist in a new perfect world the creation is going to just fall i to sin and death again , if you give a wicked man eternal life he’s going to do wickedness forever and harm the other people in the world

In parables like this from the lord there is a way of seeing how he’s going to born up the things that don’t belong in Eternity sadly the people who serve evil in this world will share in its fate if they don’t repent and believe

“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world;

the good seed are the children of the kingdom;

but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil;

the harvest is the end of the world;

and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬


this kind of thing taught by Jesus isn’t there to condemn or disqualify us but to call us to repentance if we haven’t come yet to the place where we set our mind and heart against sin to hear things like that should impact our faith in Christ


“so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. “

this is to create a healthy fear if we’re aware that we are doing iniquity and have convinced ourself it’s not a big deal , this is to change our thinking about that create a reason to repent a good reverent fear that we need to get real with this and start walking the walk even if we don’t yet walk in time and on step we have to decide to walk first freely of our own Will when we meet the real Jesus we can choose to follow him because we believe he laid down his life to save us and came to teach us the truth and offer us salvation and life

there’s always the same contrast

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

…..Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34, 41, 46‬

now to be clear my opinion is that people aren’t going to burn in torment forever but will be burned up and will perish away and be no more after they pay thier due I believe just my opinion , they will eventually die and be forgotten from creation

I believe the lake of fire is the second death and so this happens

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven

and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


So in Peters words you have this first

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

(then this )

… Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or in Isaiah words it still seems as if the world and everything in it is completely destroyed by the fire and it’s no longer even remembered

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe people will pay for thier sins and he’ll is a real terrible place but also I believe hell is destroyed and n the second death and will
Perish also and not be remembered anymore

“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i believe there is a time when all things not eternal will pass away and eternity won’t even recall th e horrors we caused in the first creation

i do believe it is either or though either we believe and live or reject and die

Im not saying theres another way other than faith in CHRIST. Also not saying God is not just.

Lets start with this...seek you first the kingdom of GOD and his righteousness, then all will be added onto you.

I just wanted to say my friend he has been doing the same thing with me complicated matters are starting to suddenly have a simple easy answer which I also ill share when needed and I have felt like God has been doing this more people too and it is increasing

But I am amazed at your understanding of eternal hell that the cost of sin is just that severe which is also why Jesus's death was so severe it was a cost that resembled the thing being paid

I always remember this group when to this place where praise God believers were preaching to the lost but would use the turn or burn. People did get saved but not many at all in months. So they went in with just love never once turn or burn.. it was shocking at how many came to Christ. These things are as its written its not what Christ would have done but the gospel is being preached and Christ said He would never turn anyone away that came to Him

We in this world know fear can put someone on a new path. Yet that is 100% against the word. God has not given us the spirit of fear.

I mean, evangelistic preaching isn't everyone's gig to begin with; but, if you're going to be preaching, then... there's really no way around it.

But if you don't have some kind of preaching/teaching ministry, then just lead by example. Do unto others and whatnot...

You don't just whip out hellfire and brimstone and chains of darkness on people UNLESS you're either called to do that -or- the person asks what you believe... otherwise you'll just freak people out.

Unbelievers are dead in trespass and sin. There is a second death for those who reject God's love, mercy and grace in this life. It is appointed to man to die and then comes judgement. The believer goes on to eternal life, the unbeliever to death.

People need to know that there are consequences to rejecting the gospel. God does not ask us to obey, He commands it. There is no need for ranting and raving about God's judgement. Simply declaring the truth of God's word is enough. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. God's love offers redemption. People need both to be convicted of sin and to know that God loves them enough to redeem them.

Id like to talk about whats happening right now as we see people all over the world totally lawless and the government calling good evil and evil good.
Is this the generation jesus is talking about?

Matthew 12:44-45 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

As in the days of noah....all the thoughts of men were continuously evil and wicked.

God doesn't push anyone to believe in Him. He is "presented" in the Bible, never forced!

No. God does not force anyone to believe Christ. But because He is God He COMMANDS all men everywhere to repent.

There are ways to present the consequences of rejecting the Gospel or disobeying the Gospel without freaking out anyone.

& rightly so!

And that is exactly the point saint.

Sin is usually established as disobedience to God (which it is) but very few times it is never explained what it does and will lead to untill judgement.
Sin is a cancer that progresses in a person, a society, a nation, if not dealt with it can and will lead to demon obsession, demon posession, physical and mental illness, a reprobate mind.

Speaking of hell, consider this, dear brother John:

Consider that Paul told us to follow his example, assuring us he had given us the full council of God
straight from Jesus. Paul said we should do as he did, and how many times in all his books (28% of
the NT) did he preach eternal conscious torment via hellfire damnation? Did he ever even use the
word hell? No, he did not. Paul, who claimed he was caught up into heaven and given the Gospel
directly by Jesus, that all men would be judged according to his gospel, that he had declared to
people the whole counsel of God, that he kept back nothing profitable from the people he taught,
and that he was the apostle to the gentiles... never once used the word hell. Paul uses the Greek
word "Hades" in 1 Corinthians 15:55, where it is translated "grave." (KJV) O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory? In Galatians 1:8, he says: But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

conceptually speaking here, a LOVING God, is allowing people to go to eternal damnation.
the Decision is yours to make whether you will believe, accept, deny God.
and for those trying to fill the altars, there is no promise of tomorrow, today, is the most logical day to choose.

there's a thin line, but if done Biblically, Fire and Brimstone Preaching has indeed increased the residency for Heaven.

2 Thessalonians 1
6After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might,

1 John 4:16
16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him.




Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

It is because of how horrific eternal torment is that all the more reason we are to save the lost There are lots of stories of people going to heaven and hell most of the heaven ones don't seem real but some do but hell is usually described in a very realistic description mostly by unsaved people and it usually brings them to Christ.

These people usually have a heart for the lost and trust me you would to if you saw the people heard the screams and moans of agaony that make you cover your ears because you can't stand to hear it or seeing the most horrific twisted thing done to people there things you never could imagine without a twisted mind yourself

Believe me your heart will ache deeply for the lost after something like that.

Oh, so someone is now pitting Paul against Christ. What a pity. Paul could never contradict Christ and the other apostles. So he did in fact speak of eternal conscious torment and damnation. You simply missed it because of your false doctrines. So let's take just one example to prove that you are wrong:

2 THESSALONIANS 2: DAMNATION TO THOSE WHO REJECT THE TRUTH AND LOVE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The word "perish" itself means eternal damnation. But "that they all might be damned" is indisputable. Here is further confirmation that this speaks of eternal damnation.

JOHN GILL'S COMMENTARY
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
That they all might be damned,.... Or judged, discerned and distinguished from true Christians and real believers, or rather that they might be condemned and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and have their portion in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; where the devil, the false prophet, and the beast, whose followers they are, will be cast; and it is but a righteous thing with God to give them up to such delusion,
that they may be damned, since they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved; and the following character of them justifies the divine procedure:

MATTHEW HENRY'S COMMENTARY
(2.) Their ruin is thus expressed: God shall send them strong delusions, to believe a lie. Thus he will punish men for their unbelief, and for their dislike of the truth and love to sin and wickedness; not that God is the author of sin, but in righteousness he sometimes withdraws his grace from such sinners as are here mentioned; he gives them over to Satan, or leaves them to be deluded by his instruments; he gives them up to their own hearts’ lusts, and leaves them to themselves, and then sin will follow of course, yea, the worst of wickedness, that shall end at last in eternal damnation. God is just when he inflicts spiritual judgments here, and eternal punishments hereafter, upon those who have no love to the truths of the gospel, who will not believe them, nor live suitably to them, but indulge false doctrines in their minds, and wicked practices in their lives and conversations.