The turn or burn gospel.

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MsMediator

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I basically believe that anyone who knows Jesus and rejects Jesus is doomed. However, there are a lot of others who do not know Jesus and reject Jesus based on their limited understanding, and they will be judged on a case by case basis. There are combination of verses which support my decision. God desires all to be saved. Jesus' death is not diminished in any way because it is only through Him salvation is possible. A lot of people argue, if non-believers can go to Heaven why did Jesus need to die? This is a moot question because there would be no Heaven in the first place. Jesus still needed to absorb the sins of the world.
 

Blain

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I basically believe that anyone who knows Jesus and rejects Jesus is doomed. However, there are a lot of others who do not know Jesus and reject Jesus based on their limited understanding, and they will be judged on a case by case basis. There are combination of verses which support my decision. God desires all to be saved. Jesus' death is not diminished in any way because it is only through Him salvation is possible. A lot of people argue, if non-believers can go to Heaven why did Jesus need to die? This is a moot question because there would be no Heaven in the first place. Jesus still needed to absorb the sins of the world.
The problem is that both the lost and Christians know of Jesus but they don't know him
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Im not saying theres another way other than faith in CHRIST. Also not saying God is not just.

Lets start with this...seek you first the kingdom of GOD and his righteousness, then all will be added onto you.
The gospel is where we must start to be saved. I think that is your topic .
The verse you quoted from Jesus, I always applied to believers who were already saved. Believers will have our physical needs taken care of when we put those of His kingdom and righteousness first.

If one is placing Any trust in obedience to the laws of God or any other works, then they must turn from that which they are trusting (true repentance) to the Only One Who can save through His atonement for sins.

The consequences of trusting any works for salvation is very severe. Christ's suffering was incredibly severe too.
 

mailmandan

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Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
 

Gideon300

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And that is exactly the point saint.

Sin is usually established as disobedience to God (which it is) but very few times it is never explained what it does and will lead to untill judgement.
Sin is a cancer that progresses in a person, a society, a nation, if not dealt with it can and will lead to demon obsession, demon posession, physical and mental illness, a reprobate mind.
All of which is rampant in the world that increasingly rejects God.
 
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Oh, so someone is now pitting Paul against Christ. What a pity. Paul could never contradict Christ and the other apostles.
Sadly, that's where the church went off the rails...
They became followers of Paul not Jesus Christ, even though Paul himself warned against doing this.
The vast majority of churches are unknowingly teaching the sheep to follow Paul...not Jesus. The proof is in their teachings....Teaching Pauls epistles 90% of the time and the Gospel of Jesus Christ only during Christian holidays...and sometimes as a mere garnish for their false teachings.

For over 20 years, I have tried to figure out a way to wake them up. But sadly they see me as their enemy, not their false teachers, who in ignorance, renounce the very Salvation teachings of Jesus Christ.
They quote (John 3:16) over and over and over....and yet show that Jesus was a Liar through the ignorance of their teachings.
 

Magenta

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The word "perish" itself means eternal damnation. But "that they all might be damned"
is indisputable. Here is further confirmation that this speaks of eternal damnation.
The word perish means to destroy to the uttermost. Front to back, from Genesis to Revelation,
the wicked are said to be destroyed, we are told they will be no more, in explicit language, they
will no longer exist. If only you would open your eyes to this indisputable truth. You are so odd,
making up your own definitions for words. Like saying damned indisputably means burning forever.
And like saying sleep is a metaphor for watchful, wakeful, awareness. Your nonsense never ends.
 
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(Romans 15:19-20)
Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation.

You see here, Paul also addresses the problem. Pastors are building on another man's foundation, not the one on which Paul built his. Which according to him, is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Why was this foundation, the one Paul built his Gospel?
Because Jesus is "The Author of Salvation"...
And.....In the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Jesus tells us exactly "What we must do to be saved".

Now...If you want to argue this fact, show me where Jesus taught, "Grace" doesn't come through our obedience to God. And.....I will show you where Jesus taught the exact opposite. (John 14:21)
 

Komentaja

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Turn and burn gospel is the biblical gospel. Thats pretty much what it is and what it always has been until people got too soft and effeminate to hear it. This is why Joel Osteen and his kind are so popular.
 

Edify

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It's my opinion that it takes all kinds to reach all kinds for Christ. The modern christian knows all about where they're going, but nothing about where they WERE going. How then can the modern christian be properly thankful or love God greatly?
It was Jesus who said "For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but the one who is forgiven little, loves little.” (Luke 7:47) We know the person Jesus was speaking to has as much sin as the woman, he simply didn't think he did. Self-righteousness is as bad as adultery.
Fear of judgment rises up in the convicted sinner. An old-fashioned altar call is the best place to speak about the judgment to come.
 

Blain

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Yeah, and you do. You're the only one who know the Lord, we get it.
Are we not to all know him? He is a personal God so while he relates differently to his children he wants us to know him not as an idea or a king who is on the side of heaven while we are here but a personal relationship wjere there is no distance any more

He lives with you now the psalm 23 suddenly starts making sense

He is calling all of us to a deeper place with him
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Now...If you want to argue this fact, show me where Jesus taught, "Grace" doesn't come through our obedience to God. And.....I will show you where Jesus taught the exact opposite. (John 14:21)

This is the full verse of which you speak:

John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”


I do understand what you mean, but no one can truly obey God by ourselves. We need God's help. That's why, if you read further into John chapter 14 that you mentioned in your post, the Lord Jesus says:

John 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

So to help us be obedient to God, we need to submit to the Holy Spirit. He will give us discernment about everything in the Bible and will enable us to obey. That is true grace - that not only does he command us to obey Him, but to enable us to obey Him through the Holy Spirit which He give us.

 

Blain

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He's not calling me to your so-called "deep place."
It's not my deeper place it is a deeper place with him a deeper more real and intimate kind of relationship with him the kingdom who he is the hidden truths in plain sight

It isn't something I can convince you of it is something you have to want for yourself
 
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Turn and burn gospel is the biblical gospel. Thats pretty much what it is and what it always has been until people got too soft and effeminate to hear it. This is why Joel Osteen and his kind are so popular.
I agree with you about Joel Osteen, but there needs to be a balance, a balance which will bring us into repentance. It is the Fear of God which puts us on the right path, but it's our Love of God...which will keep us there. Many people don't understand what it means,....to be brought into Repentance.

They hear the words "Repent" and "Repentance", but they are not taught the difference between these words, a difference which can lead to life...or death.
The word Repent,....is a word of instruction, instruction which tells us to stop obeying the evil which lives in us (Sin) and to live in obedience to God (Righteousness).
We Repent because we fear God.
The children of Abraham repented....but Did that do them any good?
No!
Why not?
Because the fear of God can not sustain our obedience, because we were born into sin, and we do not belong to God....not until we are "Born Again".
How can we sustain our obedience to God??
Through Love...our love for God....and our love for our neighbor. When obedience is done out of Love....this is "Repentance". This love, is what will keep us joyfully in obedience to God.
Why do I say Joyfully?
Because it is Gods goodness which leads us into "Repentance", and our love for God which will keep us there. (Romans 2:4)
And what will be our reward for this Repentance?
(Romans 2:6-7)
God "will give to each person according to what he has done." To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

The following is for those of you, who are seeking a relationship with God.....
I don't care how long you have been going to church...you must learn how to repent.
How??
Go somewhere private, confess your sin to God and ask him to forgive you. When you do this, God will forgive you...This is his promise...This is why Jesus became your sacrifice for sin.
And after you are forgiven, you will actually experience his forgiveness. Because after you are forgiven, you will be in the light of God.
How will you know?
You will be able to see the evil in the world, evil you did not see before the forgiveness...when you lived in darkness. This light is proof that you walked in darkness.
Now, once you are in the light...turn from the evil you are now aware of. Now during this time, you will still falter....you will still sin. But fight against it, for when you do, God will reward you for repenting. God does this to lead you towards repentance.
By the way....That's what Repenting is....the fight against sin.

When you lose this fight, God will punish you for your disobedience. A good thing..(Hebrews 12:6)
What should you do when you sin?
Go back to God...and do what you did at first....confess your sins and again...ask him for his forgiveness.
The results?
One day in the near future, you will discover you are living in obedience to God. No longer out of fear, but you will live in obedience, because you love God....and because God loves you!!
The greater your love is for God, the less power sin, will have over you.
 
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Hell wasn’t created from man, but for the Devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:41
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”


God and Satan’s kingdom are legally based and their are certain things that God cannot do.That sounds blasphemous, I know. Justifying the unregenerate sinner apart from belief in Christ according to Romans 10:9-10.
Also, those who are fit for punishment must receive the Wrath of God, that is certain, there is no way out.
 
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there is no way out except belief in Christ’s atonement, that he bore my sins on the cross and that we have been made the righteousness of Christ.