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Blain

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#81
Just to be clear here, I meant 3 times where life could have easily ended, or the life at the time I was living could have easily ended where a clear outright and undeniable Messenger of God materialized and held a real conversation with me during the miraculous process God was performing in my time of desperate need.

Materialized into a being that looked like any other human being, talked, walked, behaved like any other human being. But this was only a human being by observation, not one by any sense of the Lineage of Adam.

The discussions discussed all 3 times, all gave me a reminder of things that needed to be done here on Earth while also being reminded who I am in the view of God.

So whenever I am down or feel like another trial is coming, I just remember these 3 occasions and suddenly I am ready and focused and know God will bring me through. And if the trial includes a Miracle Moment, then Praise God because that means I will most likely get to be in the presence of one of God's Messengers again, which is proxy being with God Himself :)
My friend I couldn't wait to respond to you after reading this. I have had visitations but always in spirit never physically manifesting the power or presence or voice can be seen or felt or heard but to for it to be so personal like that even having a conversation like with any other person that speak volume my friend it says a whole lot about you and your relationship with God.

I have no need to try to show you the truth he is leading us to because your already well on your way and you are more steady in it than I am I mean for one thing all it takes for you is to recall those three ocassions while for me it took a lot and he had to be really active and real in my life to start on this path. But your understanding is well shown I can just see it.
 

Blain

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Well where is He now? You are so unbiblical in your pursuit of personal experience that you seem to have forgotten basic doctrine.

The Holy Spirit ALREADY resides in a Christian. The Holy Spirit is not about tickling our emotions or physical sensations. In fact, those things belong to the occult.

The Holy Spirit is NOT unpredictable. He does not speak of Himself and the gifts from God through His Spirit are for the building up of the church....not building but the living stones spoken of in the NT.



What is actually really wrong with many in the body of Christ, is that they have itching ears and go over experiences and manifestations that are not God and since they have pretty much thrown discernment out the door, they are ripe and just begging to be deceived.

There will a reaping for this and not the great glorious ushering in of the return of Christ. You are deceived
The experience is not what I am after as I said many times I am after the truth the bible clearly says who and what the truth is it clealrly speaks of how the holy spirit doesn;t just reside in us but walks with us think about that he walks with us as in maybe he is not just in us but with us walking next us as if a real person.
He is like the wind just like those who are filled with the spirit are like the wind you cannot control or predict how the wind is going act or where it goes and if a leaf is carried by the wind it has no say in how the wind carries it or to where

The personal real thing is what I am talking not something merely described with the word experience not going on emotions not going after the spiritual high

There is a spiritual warfare going on and your knowledge understanding and studying of the word alone are not going to be enough anymore your going to have to go for the real thing for Jesus himself the truth the real truth otherwise you will not be able to stand against the battle that is happen.

I can't convince you because you don't see my words. I am at peace filled with hope and joy even in my health condition I am enjoying being with him and loving every bit of the things he is showing and teaching me I come on here and though I admit I am not the best at explaining it say and speak of the things I am trying to get people to come to the waters he is drawing all of us to

As far as I am concerned I am showing all the signs I am on the right path. You however show something else you have an attitude with people you talk bad about people because they disagree with you or how some will confront you and you show little patience you only speak well when people who have a smilar mindeset as you agree and talk with you and about others you just go around showing anything other than the fruit of the spirit seeming to think you have a good understanding that you stand in the scriptures when you can't even see the fruits of the spirit of God and of the enemy the spirit that you are following is it any wonder that you get especially intent when I speak about supernatural things of God or speak about heavenly things that seem amazing but your first instinct is to get into attack mode?

You try to play yourself as someone who is against false prophets who studies and understands scripture as if you have any standing to say what is of God or not when the enmy and God are are using Christian chat as a chess game and we are the pieces there is an actual spiritual battle going on here and your on the wrong side and you are not aware of it.

Your vendetta against me is of no concern to me anymore He wrote this story from beginning to end so I have a peace and security in him now because he knows the way and he knows the ending so as I grow uib him and go deeper into the kingdom I only hope to be able to bring others to it as well I want people to know that joy and life in the Lord again to be filled with the refreshing waters that actually fill and refresh you yobe alive and real with him to go for and being back the true kingdom of God and even if I mess up along the way even if I misspeak as I know I am not perfect I just am not worried anymore because he is the one who is in control and he will take me and anyone else who picks up their staff and follows him to the truth and to the end of this story

I am just along for the ride he is driving the car and honestly it is so free and open not even the enemy attacks affect you anymore your just in a mental garden with him. Please understand or at least try to that your perception is not allowing you to see what I am actually speaking of here we have spiritual eyes and ears but that isn't to discern it is to for the holy spirit to use to speak to your eyes and allow your eyes to see
 

Fundaamental

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#83
The spirit of Prophecy is Jesus,

I'm completely lost, why can't Jesus speak through me and be a true witness when I'm blessed with his fruits.

Does anyone even see the spirit of prophecy is Jesus.

It's absolutely ridiculous, I felt as if I had been stripped of everything yesterday, but I'm alright now Jesus spoke to me and said I have also spoken through many other people to. In fact he said the words billions. Some of them saved some of them not.

Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and lost sometimes too.
 

Niki7

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The experience is not what I am after as I said many times I am after the truth the bible clearly says who and what the truth is it clealrly speaks of how the holy spirit doesn;t just reside in us but walks with us think about that he walks with us as in maybe he is not just in us but with us walking next us as if a real person.
He is like the wind just like those who are filled with the spirit are like the wind you cannot control or predict how the wind is going act or where it goes and if a leaf is carried by the wind it has no say in how the wind carries it or to where

The personal real thing is what I am talking not something merely described with the word experience not going on emotions not going after the spiritual high

There is a spiritual warfare going on and your knowledge understanding and studying of the word alone are not going to be enough anymore your going to have to go for the real thing for Jesus himself the truth the real truth otherwise you will not be able to stand against the battle that is happen.

I can't convince you because you don't see my words. I am at peace filled with hope and joy even in my health condition I am enjoying being with him and loving every bit of the things he is showing and teaching me I come on here and though I admit I am not the best at explaining it say and speak of the things I am trying to get people to come to the waters he is drawing all of us to

As far as I am concerned I am showing all the signs I am on the right path. You however show something else you have an attitude with people you talk bad about people because they disagree with you or how some will confront you and you show little patience you only speak well when people who have a smilar mindeset as you agree and talk with you and about others you just go around showing anything other than the fruit of the spirit seeming to think you have a good understanding that you stand in the scriptures when you can't even see the fruits of the spirit of God and of the enemy the spirit that you are following is it any wonder that you get especially intent when I speak about supernatural things of God or speak about heavenly things that seem amazing but your first instinct is to get into attack mode?

You try to play yourself as someone who is against false prophets who studies and understands scripture as if you have any standing to say what is of God or not when the enmy and God are are using Christian chat as a chess game and we are the pieces there is an actual spiritual battle going on here and your on the wrong side and you are not aware of it.

Your vendetta against me is of no concern to me anymore He wrote this story from beginning to end so I have a peace and security in him now because he knows the way and he knows the ending so as I grow uib him and go deeper into the kingdom I only hope to be able to bring others to it as well I want people to know that joy and life in the Lord again to be filled with the refreshing waters that actually fill and refresh you yobe alive and real with him to go for and being back the true kingdom of God and even if I mess up along the way even if I misspeak as I know I am not perfect I just am not worried anymore because he is the one who is in control and he will take me and anyone else who picks up their staff and follows him to the truth and to the end of this story

I am just along for the ride he is driving the car and honestly it is so free and open not even the enemy attacks affect you anymore your just in a mental garden with him. Please understand or at least try to that your perception is not allowing you to see what I am actually speaking of here we have spiritual eyes and ears but that isn't to discern it is to for the holy spirit to use to speak to your eyes and allow your eyes to see

The only way out of the deception you are in, is to acknowledge it and repent of listening to spirits and telling others they do not really need to study their Bibles. You have placed your word above God's word.
 
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My friend I couldn't wait to respond to you after reading this. I have had visitations but always in spirit never physically manifesting the power or presence or voice can be seen or felt or heard but to for it to be so personal like that even having a conversation like with any other person that speak volume my friend it says a whole lot about you and your relationship with God.

I have no need to try to show you the truth he is leading us to because your already well on your way and you are more steady in it than I am I mean for one thing all it takes for you is to recall those three ocassions while for me it took a lot and he had to be really active and real in my life to start on this path. But your understanding is well shown I can just see it.
one visit 6 members, including myself, met a Messenger of God.

we were on a closed road, some how missed the road was closed, ran out of gas, in the middle of nowhere West Virginia 1970's [before cell phones and GPS, and reading license plate numbers for information] i was 8 and my sister 5, my Mother, Dad, Grandmother, Aunt. my Dad was getting ready to walk with gas can to nearest gas station, we were so lost the gas station was 10 miles away on a road that was working. my Dad had us all join hands in a circle and told me to pray. he said, i know you Believe. we finished praying when a semi truck just materialized from nowhere. man jumped out and began calling us by our first names [remind you 1970's, that kind of information was not available then]. in the end, the man told us he would see us all on the other side. i knew then i was going to Heaven.
 

Fundaamental

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#86
The experience is not what I am after as I said many times I am after the truth the bible clearly says who and what the truth is it clealrly speaks of how the holy spirit doesn;t just reside in us but walks with us think about that he walks with us as in maybe he is not just in us but with us walking next us as if a real person.
He is like the wind just like those who are filled with the spirit are like the wind you cannot control or predict how the wind is going act or where it goes and if a leaf is carried by the wind it has no say in how the wind carries it or to where

The personal real thing is what I am talking not something merely described with the word experience not going on emotions not going after the spiritual high

There is a spiritual warfare going on and your knowledge understanding and studying of the word alone are not going to be enough anymore your going to have to go for the real thing for Jesus himself the truth the real truth otherwise you will not be able to stand against the battle that is happen.

I can't convince you because you don't see my words. I am at peace filled with hope and joy even in my health condition I am enjoying being with him and loving every bit of the things he is showing and teaching me I come on here and though I admit I am not the best at explaining it say and speak of the things I am trying to get people to come to the waters he is drawing all of us to

As far as I am concerned I am showing all the signs I am on the right path. You however show something else you have an attitude with people you talk bad about people because they disagree with you or how some will confront you and you show little patience you only speak well when people who have a smilar mindeset as you agree and talk with you and about others you just go around showing anything other than the fruit of the spirit seeming to think you have a good understanding that you stand in the scriptures when you can't even see the fruits of the spirit of God and of the enemy the spirit that you are following is it any wonder that you get especially intent when I speak about supernatural things of God or speak about heavenly things that seem amazing but your first instinct is to get into attack mode?

You try to play yourself as someone who is against false prophets who studies and understands scripture as if you have any standing to say what is of God or not when the enmy and God are are using Christian chat as a chess game and we are the pieces there is an actual spiritual battle going on here and your on the wrong side and you are not aware of it.

Your vendetta against me is of no concern to me anymore He wrote this story from beginning to end so I have a peace and security in him now because he knows the way and he knows the ending so as I grow uib him and go deeper into the kingdom I only hope to be able to bring others to it as well I want people to know that joy and life in the Lord again to be filled with the refreshing waters that actually fill and refresh you yobe alive and real with him to go for and being back the true kingdom of God and even if I mess up along the way even if I misspeak as I know I am not perfect I just am not worried anymore because he is the one who is in control and he will take me and anyone else who picks up their staff and follows him to the truth and to the end of this story

I am just along for the ride he is driving the car and honestly it is so free and open not even the enemy attacks affect you anymore your just in a mental garden with him. Please understand or at least try to that your perception is not allowing you to see what I am actually speaking of here we have spiritual eyes and ears but that isn't to discern it is to for the holy spirit to use to speak to your eyes and allow your eyes to see
You should be careful not to get personal with people who are carrying emotional scars.
There's no way to heal them only Jesus can over time,
Because they can be deeply buried in the mind,
If they come to the service to soon it can be dangerous for the person suffering with an emotional scar.
Emotional scars can also be passed down from your parents.

You wouldn't know if you had an emotional scar in the mind.
But one of the symptoms you have one is you'll always retaliate to just about anything under the sun.

This is why we need Jesus.


Only time can heal them but when there healed you start to see a different person.

I was hoping for a none personal discussion, but seeing as it's gone that way I thought I better say something.

The best thing you can do with people with emotional scars is not to get into a personal conversation about feelings, when there looking to get personal with you.

Just some sound advice for you brother.
 

Magenta

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The spirit of Prophecy is Jesus,
I'm completely lost, why can't Jesus speak through me and be a true witness when I'm blessed with his fruits.
Does anyone even see the spirit of prophecy is Jesus.

It's absolutely ridiculous, I felt as if I had been stripped of everything yesterday, but I'm alright now Jesus spoke to me and said I have also spoken through many other people to. In fact he said the words billions. Some of them saved some of them not.
Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and lost sometimes too.
It is the lost He is seeking and going after .:)


John 10:27-28
 

Blain

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#88
one visit 6 members, including myself, met a Messenger of God.

we were on a closed road, some how missed the road was closed, ran out of gas, in the middle of nowhere West Virginia 1970's [before cell phones and GPS, and reading license plate numbers for information] i was 8 and my sister 5, my Mother, Dad, Grandmother, Aunt. my Dad was getting ready to walk with gas can to nearest gas station, we were so lost the gas station was 10 miles away on a road that was working. my Dad had us all join hands in a circle and told me to pray. he said, i know you Believe. we finished praying when a semi truck just materialized from nowhere. man jumped out and began calling us by our first names [remind you 1970's, that kind of information was not available then]. in the end, the man told us he would see us all on the other side. i knew then i was going to Heaven.
Going to heaven, yes I have been wondering about that. I have stepped away from the idea of the rapture as I am going to wait for him to lead me into understanding on that but a lot of the things he has been kind of hinting at involve heaven the feast and other things that are best not spoken here but at the same time I am not sure what he is preparing it seems almost like a calm before the storm moment where your not sure what is about to happen as it is calm but there is an intense feeling in the air that something big is about to go down
 
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Locoponydirtman

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But there comes a point where we we can can only grow in him so much at a time we can only understand and study the scriptures and learn and grow from them to a certain point as if something is still missing there always seemed to be something much deeper about the word of God that we aren't seeing.
The depth of rhe scriptures is infinite.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The Psalms alone have infinite depth and meaning.
 

Blain

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The depth of rhe scriptures is infinite.
That is not what I am trying to say it isn't to down play the scriptures rather getting to a certain point where for the scriptures to really open up past the understanding we have of it we are going to need to get to a certain place with him first this is I guess you could say the next level he leads you to all truths but it has to be his way and we have to be willing to accept whatever he says as truth without question you take him at his word and that is it his word is absolute to questioning to fit your beliefs no adding or taking away to try to make it fit here or there in fact don't even try to understand it because your only going to instinctly use your own logic and reasoning with it

This is why to know the truth and the deeper thing of the scriptures and God we need to learn how to listen to the spirit with out spirit you see in the spirit so likeways to understand spiritual truths written in scripture we have to learn how use our spiritual ears and listen to the word not read it
 
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Going to heaven, yes I have been wondering about that. I have stepped away from the idea of the rapture as I am going to wait for him to lead me into understanding on that but a lot of the things he has been kind of hinting at involve heaven the feast and other things that are best not spoken here but at the same time I am not sure what he is preparing it seems almost like a calm before the storm moment where your not sure what is about to happen as it is calm but there is an intense feeling in the air that something big is about to go down
I have seen God work in 3 different ways, 3 different kinds of unrelated types of Miracle, 3 different methods to solving or protecting His Own.

So, no matter what we face, what God chooses to do because I know from first hand what He can do, even if this time He doesn't bring me through but takes me on Home, I know one way or another, I completely just believe He will bring me through to think He won't.

I am really Sold Out about it.
 

Blain

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I have seen God work in 3 different ways, 3 different kinds of unrelated types of Miracle, 3 different methods to solving or protecting His Own.

So, no matter what we face, what God chooses to do because I know from first hand what He can do, even if this time He doesn't bring me through but takes me on Home, I know one way or another, I completely just believe He will bring me through to think He won't.

I am really Sold Out about it.
If I were to say anything to you the first thing that came to me was a man after my own heart. I think is both Jesus saying this about you and how I feel as well.
That assurance in Christ you clearly know it he wrote this story from beggining to end so regardless if we understand how it is going to go down or not that isn't the point it is about the absolute trust and assurance in him why worry when we can just let him take care of it even if we face things and trials even if we screw up along the way there is that assurance in him that he is the author of our sotry as well that just gives you this ability to just get back up if you fall down your just filled with a kind of peace that just brings something different to the table
 

blueluna5

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I had a dream of an angel many years ago. I think about it everyday. I can't explain the feeling.... but if it were a pill everyone would take it. It was like every emotion mixed and new emotions never felt. It was "God's love" according to the angel. He was a God like being, similar to man but not. He was holy which is pure and is a feeling. I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to deal with such intensity for all eternity, but I'm looking forward to it anyhow. 😆

When I was baptized I had another dream. The man was similar to the angel before, but I was just sitting there talking to him. Makes me wonder how often we speak to angels and don't realize it. He spoke to me in Greek. I do not speak Greek and so I looked it up on my phone as soon as I woke up. He said, "a new life." I thought okay well I was baptized so that makes sense. Well a year later I had my 1st sonogram on the. Same. Date. It was the first time I hear my baby's heartbeat. "A new life." I was going through infertility and tried for 5 years to have a baby.

There's are just a couple. There are tons and really it's mostly looking back that I see it. But yes God is with you and thinks of you. Everything from movies to music to your loved ones he gave you. Also there are angels around you at times. I never thought about angels until after my dream. We're taught they only showed up for "special Bible people." They are people like us. When you read the Bible think of it as God speaking directly to you, bc he is.
 

Blain

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I have seen God work in 3 different ways, 3 different kinds of unrelated types of Miracle, 3 different methods to solving or protecting His Own.

So, no matter what we face, what God chooses to do because I know from first hand what He can do, even if this time He doesn't bring me through but takes me on Home, I know one way or another, I completely just believe He will bring me through to think He won't.

I am really Sold Out about it.
I apologize I got so excited about one part you were talking about and forgot to discuss the other part that being the three ways he operates, this is interesting.

One way I have seen him protect me is kind of a very you don't want to mess with me kind of protection vibe from him seberal times lately I have encountered demons and I have had to deal with things like that before but not to the point where they are actually just staring you down in your room.

Normally one would pray or quote scripture or show the authority we have in Christ and just rebuke and stomp this thing but instead I knew this thing was really strong and I was not equipped to deal with it so I kind of used Jesus as a sheild and was like Jesus I am going to need you to deal with this and fight for me

Oh boy when I did that the fiery anger coming from him I could just feel the intensity of it like man it is like he was acting just staring this thing down not saying a word but having a fiery intense presence that spoke for him as if saying how you dare even try to go after my child

This poor thing was like a worm compared to him not just by power but wow that presence the way he was standing against this thing just for my sake like we mean that much to him?
 

Blain

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I had a dream of an angel many years ago. I think about it everyday. I can't explain the feeling.... but if it were a pill everyone would take it. It was like every emotion mixed and new emotions never felt. It was "God's love" according to the angel. He was a God like being, similar to man but not. He was holy which is pure and is a feeling. I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to deal with such intensity for all eternity, but I'm looking forward to it anyhow. 😆

When I was baptized I had another dream. The man was similar to the angel before, but I was just sitting there talking to him. Makes me wonder how often we speak to angels and don't realize it. He spoke to me in Greek. I do not speak Greek and so I looked it up on my phone as soon as I woke up. He said, "a new life." I thought okay well I was baptized so that makes sense. Well a year later I had my 1st sonogram on the. Same. Date. It was the first time I hear my baby's heartbeat. "A new life." I was going through infertility and tried for 5 years to have a baby.

There's are just a couple. There are tons and really it's mostly looking back that I see it. But yes God is with you and thinks of you. Everything from movies to music to your loved ones he gave you. Also there are angels around you at times. I never thought about angels until after my dream. We're taught they only showed up for "special Bible people." They are people like us. When you read the Bible think of it as God speaking directly to you, bc he is.
I honestly wish I had the words this post is just like i'm sorry this gif is honestly the best I can do
 

ThyKingdomComeSoon

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Signs and wonders are for those who already believe. It is a sinful generation of men who seek after a sign for neither do they believe nor will they believe, and they have received already the sign of Jonah.
Wise man! you give me hope like light in total darkness.

Many Blessings!
 

Blain

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Wise man! you give me hope like light in total darkness.

Many Blessings!
Sadly the truth is that is the generation we live in this is speaking to the state of the world today not believers.

He has always given a sign or done wonders or used people to speak about what he is going to do before he does it he is very fair in this way

He also every now and then and you can see this in scripture kind of assurts himself reminding people who he is humbling kings or even a paeople themselves and true enough he did do so through signs and wonders even the dreams he gave were not natural and he has always operated in this with man.

But a sign points to something it always points to something that is what a sign is it points to something coming up ahead so pay attention.

People who seek the gifts or the signs and spirituality of God do so for the wrong reason the signs and wonders mesmerize them and yes it can be that way even within the the church it seems to be more of people wanting these things for the spiritual aspect the signs and wonders but God has always used these things with a purpose and intent behind it people forget that part.


currently I am learning more about this type thing with him understanding more serious and mature things about certain topics
 

presidente

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Didnt Jesus say something to the effect of, a perverse generation seeks a sign but none will be given.

We have a sign, is called the scripture, which is the witness of Christ. We also have that the things he said came to pass. He warned his disciples of the pending doom and it happened as he predicted 40 years later in 70 ad. It is the historical record of his true witness.
Something I've noticed is when some people refer to that verse about a wicked and adulterous generation seeking a sign is that they make the logical error of affirming the consequent. If Jesus said that a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, that doesn't mean that all who seek a sign are necessarily wicked and adulterous. The wicked and adulterous drink water. That doesn't make all who drink water wicked or adulterous.

It is also interesting to not that the sequence in Matthew's Gospel has Jesus saying this following the account of the feeding of the four thousand. It could be that the type of sign Christ's opponents were looking for was a predictive prophecy to test Jesus against a Deuteronomy 18 scripture. If His prediction did not come to pass then they would dismiss Him as a false prophet. Jesus gave them a predictive sign of his resurrection from the dead. That is different from healing the sick.

Jesus said before one of the healings recorded early in the book of John, 'except ye see signs and wonders, ye shall not believe.' The apostles also prayed for God to heal and to do signs and wonders for the sake of Jesus. Their praying this way did not make them evil or adulterous.
 

Blain

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Something I've noticed is when some people refer to that verse about a wicked and adulterous generation seeking a sign is that they make the logical error of affirming the consequent. If Jesus said that a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, that doesn't mean that all who seek a sign are necessarily wicked and adulterous. The wicked and adulterous drink water. That doesn't make all who drink water wicked or adulterous.

It is also interesting to not that the sequence in Matthew's Gospel has Jesus saying this following the account of the feeding of the four thousand. It could be that the type of sign Christ's opponents were looking for was a predictive prophecy to test Jesus against a Deuteronomy 18 scripture. If His prediction did not come to pass then they would dismiss Him as a false prophet. Jesus gave them a predictive sign of his resurrection from the dead. That is different from healing the sick.

Jesus said before one of the healings recorded early in the book of John, 'except ye see signs and wonders, ye shall not believe.' The apostles also prayed for God to heal and to do signs and wonders for the sake of Jesus. Their praying this way did not make them evil or adulterous.
Well spoken much better than I could have put it.