The turn or burn gospel.

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Magenta

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Fear works for a day or so .... The fear of the Lord is a different thing to this, it is godly reverence.

God doesn't work on human emotions at all [preachers do] He speaks the truth in love and truth resonates.

1 John 4:18
:D
 

Evmur

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The Prosperity Gospel as promoted by those who do so is meant to merely prosper the preacher. They then flaunt their wealth. This is contrary to Scripture.
Those preachers will have to answer before the Lord ... not all of them are crooks, some of them totally believe what they are doing.

You should not be looking at them.

Your eyes should be on what the bible teaches, Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness then all the things the nations seek shall be added unto you. Chase God and His blessings will chase you.

The problem is the theology of "faith" preachers who always think you must do something first in order for God to bless you. It comes from the freewill belief. They put faith before grace, always a mistake.
 

Evmur

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I stood back for a time on this thread to read the replys and meditate on them.
Gods judgement is rightous without a doubt. I do not disagree with scripture at all.
I find it very hard to express what i mean in this thread but do hold to the turn or burn message to be harnful more than helpful.
Let us remember that our Lord preached to a population that knew of GOD and the law. As far as the gentiles that heard the message a number of them could of been the (God fearers) or those who were in the outer court of the temple but heard and beleived also in the hebrew GOD.
In short it was a culture that was God or gods conscious.
The greeks even though they had pagan gods were aware of a higher deity even though it was pagan.
Which brings me to today.... people which are also turning towards pagan thought and customs.
Which has opened up the door for demonic forces and influence.
Many people dont even know what repentance is or even what it means. Wolf churches and heirlings have polluted the true gospel.
How can a society who cant even recognize what sex they are and call good evil and evil good possibly understand why they will be judged. When the schools they attend and the educators they hear say they came from evolution.
Let alone the polluted gospel messages they hear of self help, social justice, woke gospel, all inclusiveness, works gospel, ect.
The Lord said my people fail for lack of knowledge. We need to understand what were dealing with. Its been at least 4 generations that have primarily went there own way. Now we reap what is sowned.
Train up a child in the way they should, says the proverb yet how many even now say when fhey are older let them choose, ...or have you heard this one....i want to be friends with my children,...
Gods heart is for his people but listen saints....time of the gentiles has not yet come...so there are still brothers and sisters out there waiting to happen. Theres still a harvest yet to yield.
God has chosen us for such a time as this or you would of not been born in this time. Speak up, reach out, God will do the rest.
Let me leave you with this quote from president Regan.

Evil is powerless when good is unafraid.

This song is what ive turned in to prayer for todays world.

People don't think this but God waits for generations to pass. He has been waiting for the turn or burners generation to pass. Now He is doing a new thing in the church. New wine will not go into old bottles.

The old folks do not like what God is doing.
 

ResidentAlien

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Those preachers will have to answer before the Lord ... not all of them are crooks, some of them totally believe what they are doing.
This right here is probably the number one thing that permits false teachers to keep on teaching false doctrine. They can justify themselves by telling themselves: "We're not the bad guys, those others are." Doesn't matter if the doctrine they're teaching is as false as it comes so long as their motives are "pure."
 

Evmur

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This right here is probably the number one thing that permits false teachers to keep on teaching false doctrine. They can justify themselves by telling themselves: "We're not the bad guys, those others are." Doesn't matter if the doctrine they're teaching is as false as it comes so long as their motives are "pure."
What about the false doctrines YOU preach?

I think concerning the stark naked message of turn or burn is actually a warp, whatever truth there is it is twisted into caricature. And that is what all hyper teachers do. They do so with the prosperity doctrine.

When I hear some preachers preaching the more traditional evangelical message, I think this guy is no preacher, there is no unction, nobody gets saved, nobody is blest. That's false preaching too.

I am not responsible for what others preach, I AM responsible for what I listen to. Jesus preached prosperity and so did Paul.

Where do you think the wealth of this planet came from?
 

ResidentAlien

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What about the false doctrines YOU preach?
If someone says I'm preaching false doctrine I'll listen to them and examine the scriptures. One thing I won't do is make excuses and say my motives are good so I'm okay; it's those other guys over there with impure motives teaching the same thing we need to watch out for.
 

Evmur

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If someone says I'm preaching false doctrine I'll listen to them and examine the scriptures. One thing I won't do is make excuses and say my motives are good so I'm okay; it's those other guys over there with impure motives teaching the same thing we need to watch out for.
watch out for them ... I do.

They have always been in the church in one form or another, The Apostles warned about them.

I don't think your motives are good.
 

Nehemiah6

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He has been waiting for the turn or burners generation to pass.[/QUOTE]Really? The first one to preach the turn or burn Gospel was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. See Mark 9:42-49 (for starters). Now after reading that you will need to retract your comments.

Any Christian who opposes the preaching of BOTH salvation and damnation does not really believe the Lord Jesus Christ (Mark 16:15,16). If God now commands all men everywhere to repent, it means that there are VERY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES for failure to repent.
 

Evmur

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Repentance, change your mind, not just opinions but change the very way you think. This is what Christians find so difficult.

When Jesus met Peter where is this turn or burn?, no He greets him "thou art Simon thou shalt be called a rock"
And here are those "sons of thunder" and Nathaniel "a true Israelite in whom is no guile"

When did Peter repent? it was when he saw that miracle of the fishes, so many fishes. He fell at Jesu's feet and cried "Lord depart from me a sinful man"

When did He wag His finger at the Magdalene? or the woman at the well. They repented alright. He offered her water to drink which would become a well of water in her springing up unto everlasting life. No man ever spake to her like that and she'd known a few.

They are powerful words to one who is thirsty, they are words that save ... she wasn't even a Jew.

Do you know why Christians don't speak that way to sinners? because they don't have that water to give, they have enough to have gotten saved with themselves but it doesn't overflow.

I believe in the last judgement and I believe the wicked will go to hell and will say so. I do not believe in "turn or burn" preaching.