In Christ

aim suggesting that baptism is baptism and they did it in water before and after the cross and it was done in Jesus name

And to say “ water baptism “ and then suggest it isnt the one baptism the Bible teaches us to partake of has absolutely no basis whatsoever

rhe relationship of the only baptism there is which happens to be done in water to salvation is this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your saying “ water baptism has nothing to do with salvation “ I’m agreeing with the lords own words who states very clearly applicable to all creatures in tbe world “ anyone who believes the gospel and is baptized shall be saved “

my point to you is how many baptisms re there ? And were the apostles and philip practicing a false and irrelevant water baptism ? That has nothing to do with anything or is baptism baptism and happens to be done in water designed by God who sent John to baptize for remission of sins ?

what is baptism if it’s not what th y we’re doing in water and calling it baptism ?

why the need to create a different baptism what is it we rob dirt on ourselves and then we’re baptized ? Does someone say “ you’re baptized now “ alscazamm ! What’s baptism if it’s not water baptism that the church kept doing in scripture is all I’m asking you

there’s no reason to create an alternative to what is plainly written when we “ interpret “ and the. We end up trying to disprove those plain statements clearly showing us “ yes they were baptizing in water like Philip and Peter clearly did “ when we can’t accept that it’s not that we’re super spiritual and have super indeerrsndkng it’s because we’re too proud to accept any correction from scripture and change what we used to think

a there’s no shame in being corrected about anything when it’s clear hat we have misunderstood it’s actually a merit and strength to acknolwedge things we had wrong before makes us wise in the end

baptism is just baptism is what I’m suggesting it’s what people have been doing for two thousand years now you believe Jesus died for your sins and raise up to life so you get baptized in his name this does involve the “evil hated water , yeah “ but jesus sure never had a problem getting baptized in water infact he insisted upon it it seems like he would t be partaking of irrelevant matters and even insisting on it

abut it’s alright with me if you want to create a second baptism that replaces the biblical one I just though you might want to consider that the apostles and early church kept baptizing in water and said there’s just the one baptism no intent to argue with you just making a simple point I think you have wrong

Jesus' words from John 7:37-38 and John 4:14

Isaiah 12:2-3

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So what does this word-- In ---mean -----

The Greek word for In ---is

Strong's Concordance
en: in, on, at, by, with
Definition: in, on, at, by, with
Usage: in, on, among.

HELPS Word-studies
1722 en (a preposition) – properly, in (inside, within); (figuratively) "in the realm (sphere) of," as in the condition (state) in which something operates from the inside (within)

I say -----
So all true followers live to Christ and not to ourselves -----We are a new Creation because we are in Union with Him by Faith --we are implanted or Grafted -into Christ -----We have a New Spiritual Divine Life -our understanding becomes enlightened ---our Spiritual senses are heightened ---- we become a Branch of the True Vine ----and through that our support and strength comes from Him and we shall partake of His Fullness and share in His Happiness and Glory ---

How great is all of this ----to good to pass Up --I say -----Jesus is The True Vine ---and from Him all Goodness flows to all the True branches -----

someone may have to be a musician to know this but from this pic, can anyone pick out something that reminds you of a rock star?

Magenta, you just keep getting more stylish!

WOW! all of them.

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Yes! And who was that referring to in the above scriptures you cited, Mat 3:11 and Acts 1:5? The apostles.

Read the words of John the Baptist in Luke 3:16, and Jesus words to his apostles in Luke 24:49, then the words of Peter in Acts 1:4-5, then Acts 2:1-4, then Acts 2:16-17.

And then read the various accounts of the apostle's being endowed with the "power from on high" or Holy Spirit, as demonstrated by the laying on of THEIR hands, enabling the Holy Spirit to be manifested, commonly referred to as Spiritual Gifts; Acts 5:12, Acts 6:6-8, Acts 8:9-19, Acts 19:6, 2 Tim 1:6.

Note also the slight difference in what was said as recorded in Luke 3:16, Luke 24:49 and the recounted words of these scriptures by Peter in Acts 1:4-5; and also the wording in the Greek interlinear for both Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:5.

Luke 24:49 KJV

49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4-5 KJV

4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

And the interlinear Greek says Holy Spirit in Acts 1:5 as opposed to " power from on high", and the interlinear for Luke 24:49 says "you should be clothed with from on high power".

The Holy Spirit baptism was upon the apostles as recorded in Acts 2 above; no one else. The words "they" and "them" refer to the apostles. The anomalies are Acts 2 and 10 wherein the Spirit fell miraculously and unilaterally on both the apostles and Gentiles validating the events, as it was the beginning of the church in Jerusalem (Jews 1st) and then in Caesarea (Gentiles).