How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

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cv5

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I think it does not matter. God had the temple destroyed and the people scattered so that it would be lost forever.
My Twitter feed is telling me that the people are back. In the land. Ezekiel 37 coming at you bro.

7 times prophecy of Lev 26 fulfilled.
 
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My Twitter feed is telling me that the people are back. In the land. Ezekiel 37 coming at you bro.

7 times prophecy of Lev 26 fulfilled.
So when they build this temple as they are planning, will you go and sacrifice animals with them?
 

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I know that, but they were correcting the whole Bible, from very OLD ENGLISH Prior to 1611, they did not go to the original languages.
The TRANSLATIONS did just that, and I was Proving the KJV was Paraphrase, because they did not go to the original Languages. In particular whether it should be translated Mansions or Dwelling Places. I think the proper translation is Dwelling Places.
That might be what you want to believe, but the KJV is NOT some second class paraphrase.
When I walked into my local mega Church and saw stacks of The Living Bible at the entrance to the auditorium, I shook my head and realized that someone had been scammed and sold a promise of a lake in the Sahara. The Living Bible is a paraphrase.

I'm posting this documentary on the Bible for those newbies who don't want their faith in God's Word dashed under a bus driven by the higher critics.

The Preserved Bible
 

VCO

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So when they build this temple as they are planning, will you go and sacrifice animals with them?

I do not thinks so, but right now they seem to planning it. But however, that is one the Main Purposes, and I BELIEVE the TWO WITNESSES, in Revelation, Will straighten them out on JESUS IS THE ULTIMATE BLOOD SACRIFICE. However there is plenty of reasons to still have the Temple, for non-blood sacrifices. If you study Judaism, you will find that Blood Sacrifices was only about a quarter of the things going on in the TEMPLE. For instance, the Festival of First Fruits. Singing was considered to be Sacrifices, so was Prayer a Sacrifice, So were FEASTS, etc., etc.
 

cv5

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I do not thinks so, but right now they seem to planning it. But however, that is one the Main Purposes, and I BELIEVE the TWO WITNESSES, in Revelation, Will straighten them out on JESUS IS THE ULTIMATE BLOOD SACRIFICE. However there is plenty of reasons to still have the Temple, for non-blood sacrifices. If you study Judaism, you will find that Blood Sacrifices was only about a quarter of the things going on in the TEMPLE. For instance, the Festival of First Fruits. Singing was considered to be Sacrifices, so was Prayer a Sacrifice, So were FEASTS, etc., etc.
Yes, there will be blood sacrifices during the millennium. There will be sin then also....so maybe that is at least one reason.

Eze 40:42
And the four tables were of hewn stone for the burnt offering, of a cubit and an half long, and a cubit and an half broad, and one cubit high: whereupon also they laid the instruments wherewith they slew the burnt offering and the sacrifice.
Eze 44:11
Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
Eze 46:24
Then said he unto me, These are the places of them that boil, where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifice of the people.
Eze 45:15
And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 46:13
Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.
Eze 46:15
Thus shall they prepare the lamb, and the meat offering, and the oil, every morning for a continual burnt offering.
 

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That might be what you want to believe, but the KJV is NOT some second class paraphrase.
When I walked into my local mega Church and saw stacks of The Living Bible at the entrance to the auditorium, I shook my head and realized that someone had been scammed and sold a promise of a lake in the Sahara. The Living Bible is a paraphrase.

I'm posting this documentary on the Bible for those newbies who don't want their faith in God's Word dashed under a bus driven by the higher critics.

The Preserved Bible

READ and RE-READ the ORIGINAL 1611 PREFACE, You OWE it to yourself, so that you do not put it on too high of a Pedestal. KNOW that they changed the Preface, after we evangelicals, started to point out that is was only a Paraphrase Version.
 
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Glad for you OP, glad that someone is addressing this.

The Temple Mount was never where either of the two temple was located, it was where the Fortress Antonio that King Herod built for his friend Mark Anthony, a Roman General.
 

VCO

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READ and RE-READ the ORIGINAL 1611 PREFACE, You OWE it to yourself, so that you do not put it on too high of a Pedestal. KNOW that they changed the Preface, after we evangelicals, started to point out that is was only a Paraphrase Version.

I told you the TRUTH.
 

VCO

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Glad for you OP, glad that someone is addressing this.

The Temple Mount was never where either of the two temple was located, it was where the Fortress Antonio that King Herod built for his friend Mark Anthony, a Roman General.
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Here is the coup de grâce.
Approximately 20 paces North of the Southeast Tower is the next Picture:

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That 300 Horse Stable, makes the entire for Cornered Complex, Fortress Antonia, of
the Roman X Legion with 6000 Troops and 4000 Support Staff, needed that space.
 

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Awesome! Perhaps it is another of His wonderful ways of preserving His plan to redeem the creation, just as it quit raining in the Holy Land after the Temple destruction to where it was a wasteland, and as His people came back the rains and abundance increased to where today it is a land filled with milk and honey, now today there is a commonly held misconception of the site location and in this way it is preserved from muslim desecration?:unsure::);)
 

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KNOW that they changed the Preface, after we evangelicals, started to point out that is was only a Paraphrase Version.
The KJB a "Paraphrase Version"? If you believe this nonsense then you have not paid any attention to what was actually written in "The Translators to the Reader", nor in that Bible itself. And nobody changed the Preface since it was written originally. So that is just more nonsense.
 
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His people came back the rains and abundance increased to where today it is a land filled with milk and honey, now today there is a commonly held misconception
"His people" are not in that land. "His people" are those who are those who have faith.
Also its not a land of milk and honey, it is a land that only survives due to heavy dependence "The west". Not a day goes by that someone is not begging money for their poor. If they were so prosperous, why dont they take care of their own?
 
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According to the Jerusalem Post, "As such, in 2021 Israel was ranked as having the second-highest poverty rate in the developed world, second only to Costa Rica."
 

VCO

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The KJB a "Paraphrase Version"? If you believe this nonsense then you have not paid any attention to what was actually written in "The Translators to the Reader", nor in that Bible itself. And nobody changed the Preface since it was written originally. So that is just more nonsense.
I understand, that you actually believe it was an ACTUAL TRANSLATION, but you have been unwittingly fibbed to. It will shock you to find out the TRUTH. I used to be a KJV ONLY believer, until I read the PREFACE that the ORIGINAL 1611 KJV wrote.

HERE IS AN EXCEPT FROM THE ORIGINAL 1611 PREFACE, and at the end I will still give you the Site that has this Original. The words in italice and at the bottom blue are my comments:

revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . . {That is a Paraphrase, and not an actual Translation.}

But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? {That is a prescription for replacing a Know Error for Another.}

the Seventy Interpreters, . . . among the Gentiles by written ERRORS preaching . . . {That is more proof that Errors still exist in the KJV.}

the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; {That accounts for the KNOWN ERRORS, but what about UNKNOWN ERRORS.}

. . . the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if anything be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place. {KNOWN ERRORS, but they were taken from 5 older BIBLE in English, with Known Errors, Checked with the Septuagint with KNOWN ERRORS, and checked with LATIN BIBLE with KNOW ERRORS. OH MY! No wonder why they were in hurry to REVISE, the ORIGINAL 1611 PREFACE. BUT THERE IS MORE.}

For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . . {That certainly is a genuine Paraphrase and not a Genuine Translation out of an original language Bibles.}

But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: {That SAME supposed ERROR the 1611 Translation TEAM was accused of, is the SAME ERROR modern KJV ONLY believers have discounted nearly EVERY English Genuine Translation, because it in some places contradicts what they falsely believe the KJV is saying, INSTEAD OF WHAT GOD IS ACTUALLY SAYING.}

Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, . . . but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . .

{That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages.}

Now that is only the Negative part of the KJV. YES THE KJV IS THE BEST PARAPHRASED VERSION on the market today.



Yes it is true at one time I was well on the way to becoming a KJV ONLY BELIEVER, but I woke up. Pleas read the ORIGINAL 1611 KJV PREFACE, for yourself.

My favorite Translation today is HCSB, followed by NASB, ESV, NKJV, NRSV, ASV, NIV, NCV, RSV, NJB, and YLT.

I have no problem with using any of them.




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For myself the Temple of God will be rebuilt during the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation and the jews will return to Israel from the countries the are now for it will be unsafe to live elsewhere.

But it is a possibility that the Temple will be built on the same platform as the Mosque and the reason for not measuring the outer court. Even in the times of Jesus gentiles were allowed in the outer courts. Almost 40 acres available for both structures.
 

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"His people" are not in that land. "His people" are those who are those who have faith.
Also its not a land of milk and honey, it is a land that only survives due to heavy dependence "The west". Not a day goes by that someone is not begging money for their poor. If they were so prosperous, why dont they take care of their own?
Scattered but coming home...
 

Nehemiah6

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revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . . {That is a Paraphrase, and not an actual Translation.}
You are deliberately slandering and misrepresenting the translators. In fact you are engaged in deception.

So I will show you from the same Preface that this is TOTAL NONSENSE. And I quote below:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE WAS A NEW TRANSLATION
"And although this was judged to be but a very poor and empty shift; yet even hereupon did his Majesty begin to bethink himself of the good that might ensue by a new translation, and presently after gave order for this Translation which is now presented unto thee."

THIS TRANSLATION WAS TO SUPERSEDE ALL PREVIOUS TRANSLATIONS
But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of Dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk; but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark.

A FRESH TRANSLATION WAS MADE OUT THE HEBREW AND GREEK
And in what sort did these assemble? In the trust of their own knowledge, or of their sharpness of wit, or deepness of judgment, as it were in an arm of flesh? At no hand. They trusted in him that hath the key of David, opening and no man shutting; they prayed to the Lord the Father of our Lord, to the effect that S. Augustine did; O let thy Scriptures be my pure delight, let me not be deceived in them, neither let me deceive by them. In this confidence, and with this devotion did they assemble together; not too many, lest one should trouble another; and yet many, lest many things haply might escape them. If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New. These are the two golden pipes, or rather conduits, where-through the olive branches empty themselves into the gold. Saint Augustine calleth them precedent, or original tongues; Saint Jerome, fountains. The same Saint Jerome affirmeth, and Gratian hath not spared to put it into his Decree, That as the credit of the old Books (he meaneth of the Old Testament) is to be tried by the Hebrew Volumes, so of the New by the Greek tongue, he meaneth by the original Greek. If truth be to be tried by these tongues, then whence should a Translation be made, but out of them? These tongues therefore, the Scriptures we say in those tongues, we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by his Prophets and Apostles.