True gospel

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#22
Are the "texts" you are referring to the the first 5 Books of the Bible and the Old Testament?

Yes or no.
Read 2 Corinthians 3:12-18 again because I am uncomfortable with you claiming they are my ideas...

This is the position of those Christians that put together the cannon.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#23
This new person, who has literally been on this site for an hour, started some sort of murky thread Titled "The True GospeL'.

I thought the purpose was to quantify in simple term THE Gospel unto Salvation, like THIS:

God wrapped Himself in human flesh in the form of His Son, Jesus the Messiah. Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin. He suffered, was crucified, and died to pay OUR sin debt. He was raised to life from the grave to prove He had defeated death. If you confess Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that His Father resurrected Him to Life on the 3rd day, you WILL be saved. You will be filled, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, who will empower ALL to turn from their sins. The sin of adultery, lying, stealing, homosexuality, gossip, slander, drunkenness, covetousness, etc... And most importantly the sin of DEAD works, or a moral life in an attempt to EARN Salvation. He will also equip you to love like He did and do good works for HIS Glory.

But instead we got some bizarre doctrine that people worship the "texts" by which he means the Old Testament.

And that the Truth can't be found in these "texts". Yet Jesus says THIS:

Luke 24:27
New King James Version

27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.


So I'm not sure where this is all going, but something doesn't smell quite right here.
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#24
This new person, who has literally been on this site for an hour, started some sort of murky thread Titled "The True GospeL'.

I thought the purpose was to quantify in simple term THE Gospel unto Salvation, like THIS:

God wrapped Himself in human flesh in the form of His Son, Jesus the Messiah. Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin. He suffered, was crucified, and died to pay OUR sin debt. He was raised to life from the grave to prove He had defeated death. If you confess Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that His Father resurrected Him to Life on the 3rd day, you WILL be saved. You will be filled, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, who will empower ALL to turn from their sins. The sin of adultery, lying, stealing, homosexuality, gossip, slander, drunkenness, covetousness, etc... And most importantly the sin of DEAD works, or a moral life in an attempt to EARN Salvation. He will also equip you to love like He did and do good works for HIS Glory.s

But instead we got some bizarre doctrine that people worship the "texts" by which he means the Old Testament.

And that the Truth can't be found in these "texts". Yet Jesus says THIS:

Luke 24:27
New King James Version

27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.


So I'm not sure where this is all going, but something doesn't smell quite right here.
He has fulfilled them...

We are supposed to be wholly distinct...

We are still like the Pharisee that killed Jesus...

This is problematic.

Please read Hebrews 7:1-28 because you seem to think Jesus is just a continuation.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#25
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#26
yes

Yes

???

Read it.

I'm starting to think this is all a round about way to say we shouldn't be tithing or giving money to our local Church.
Church means community, look at Acts 4:32-35 and tell me what church complies.

We have just recreated the Synagogue, but for us the heart is Gods temple not a building.

When we gather, wherever we gather, there is God.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#27
Church means community, look at Acts 4:32-35 and tell me what church complies.
Our Church, and MANY in my area, are fully invested in community in a myriad of ways. Most importantly with spreading the Gospel. But also with dozens of earthly needs. From food to daycare, to helping the homeless. WE, are also a community unto ourselves with small groups that not only study the Bible, ( yes, even the dreaded O.T. "texts") but also do life together.
You should probably find a better Church.

We have just recreated the Synagogue, but for us the heart is Gods temple not a building.
We are all fully aware that WE are the Church. Irrelevant to having a building where we can meet and assemble for a variety of reasons.
When we gather, wherever we gather, there is God.
Yes
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#28
Our Church, and MANY in my area, are fully invested in community in a myriad of ways. Most importantly with spreading the Gospel. But also with dozens of earthly needs. From food to daycare, to helping the homeless. WE, are also a community unto ourselves with small groups that not only study the Bible, ( yes, even the dreaded O.T. "texts") but also do life together.
You should probably find a better Church.


We are all fully aware that WE are the Church. Irrelevant to having a building where we can meet and assemble for a variety of reasons.


Yes
I am a member of Gods Church, I do not find it manifest.

I would like to change that.
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#30
I don't know what that means?
The verses suggest a primitive communism yet for most Christians that is their worst fear.

(Acts 4:32-35 I mean, which was the last bible reference I made)
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#31
What they don't understand is that everything belongs to God.

Letting men extort us and calling it Gods will is insane.
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#32
Revelation 22:1-5 suggests absolute democracy...

All with Gods light reign together.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#33
The verses suggest a primitive communism yet for most Christians that is their worst fear.

(Acts 4:32-35 I mean, which was the last bible reference I made)
Yes. Communism is as evil as you can get. Has never caused anything other than misery and death wherever it’s been tried.
( I know, I know. It hasn’t worked because The RIGHT people weren’t in charge!) lol
Even amongst Christians communism doesn’t work.

2 Chapters later than what you posted, THIS happened:


Acts 6

New King James Version

6 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists, because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution.
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#34
Yes. Communism is as evil as you can get. Has never caused anything other than misery and death wherever it’s been tried.
( I know, I know. It hasn’t worked because The RIGHT people weren’t in charge!) lol
Even amongst Christians communism doesn’t work.

2 Chapters later than what you posted, THIS happened:


Acts 6

New King James Version

6 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists, because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution.
For me what you attribute to Communism is just the problem with nationalism...

Communism is the sharing of resources equally across humanity, and it has never been tried.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#35
For me what you attribute to Communism is just the problem with nationalism...

Communism is the sharing of resources equally across humanity, and it has never been tried.
That’s because it’s IMPOSSIBLE!!

There have only ever been two forces that have tamed man’s corrupt heart.

1. A belief in, and accountability to, God.

2. Competition.

Why would I work harder than you, try to better myself, and succeed, if you’re getting the exact same things as me??
People will do just as little as the next person.

So it ALWAYS ends up as living from the lowest common denominator. Except of course for the privileged few who will administer the utopian hell!
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#36
That’s because it’s IMPOSSIBLE!!
If we actually believed in God it would already be so.

Instead we accept greed and value selfishness, making God absent from society.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#37
If we actually believed in God it would already be so.

Instead we accept greed and value selfishness, making God absent from society.
Who is this “we” you are talking about?

And don’t think for a minute there’s going to be communism when Jesus comes back and judges everyone.

There is going to be “leasts” and “mosts” in Heaven. Why do think He tells us to store up treasures in Heaven?
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,967
8,672
113
#39
You are forgetting human nature, and that the human beings are corrupt and corruptinle.


You can dream all you want, but instead you should focus on building the Kingdom through spreading the Gospel.

TBH, you sound like you advocate Lennon's "Imagine". Which I believe will be the Global Anthem for the AC.
 
Apr 25, 2023
439
10
18
#40
You are forgetting human nature, and that the human beings are corrupt and corruptinle.


You can dream all you want, but instead you should focus on building the Kingdom through spreading the Gospel.

TBH, you sound like you advocate Lennon's "Imagine". Which I believe will be the Global Anthem for the AC.
The point of Christ is to transform human nature into something divine.

You settle for what is not godly because you have no faith.