Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture

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Beckie

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Some folks are not grown enough to have polite disagreements . sometimes that is me
 

cv5

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The said religious studies the Talmud as it were, also blasphemes Jesus horrifically say that He is burning in a pit of human excrement. Isnt that lovely?
Come on man. This is the very reason why Jesus must return. I have brought these passages to you attention now DOZENS OF TIMES.
Wake up!

You who????????

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
“for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Eze 36:22
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 

cv5

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I have looked it up, and it is true. Its found in B.Gittin 56B-57A:
(I dont know why that is so big and bold).
In the passage Titus, Balaam, and Jesus are called up by a necromancer and asked what their punishment in Hell is.

Well, there ya go. Look things up for yourself, and see.

There are other very nasty things like, its ok to lie or decieve a goyim, or even steel from one, or even kill one. Goyim is a nonjew, or gentile as it were.

But hey keep sending money to support people who use our money to study such nasty things. Thats your call.
Just my opinion, but I strongly suspect that if you were talking smack about the Biblically certain future redemption of Israel back in the days where Peter and Paul were elders leading the congregation.....

You would be summarily excommunicated.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
So only thlse conbertes to faith in Christ.

restoration of all things,
New Heaven and Earth.

for I say to you,
His disciples, or followers of Christ what we now call christians, talking about the Lord's supper. Fulfilled in the Kingdom of God would be the united new heavem and earth.

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Also to His disciples, Christians as it is called today. Yeah, also that new heaven and earth thing again.

new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
Yep that is the thing that Jesus does when one has faith in him, we call it bkrn again.
Anyway thanks.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Just my opinion, but I strongly suspect that if you were talking smack about the Biblically certain future redemption of Israel back in the days where Peter and Paul were elders leading the congregation.....

You would be summarily excommunicated.
That is about what is written in the talmud, ok thanks come again.
 
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and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
The Lord, Jesus.

till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
The Face of Jesus,
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight
Kind of reminds a gospel believer of the resurrection of Jesus.
 

cv5

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That is about what is written in the talmud, ok thanks come again.
Well then......Seeing that you have chosen the wrong path of kicking Israel to the curb, I shall excommunicate you by putting you on ignore. Bye-bye.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Just my opinion, but I strongly suspect that if you were talking smack about the Biblically certain future redemption of Israel back in the days where Peter and Paul were elders leading the congregation.....

You would be summarily excommunicated.
The book of revelation they are called synagogue of satan,
Also Paul said that they should do something to themselves rather than stir up problems for christans, would that be castrate themselves. Huh?

Look the New testament in Christ is the fulfillment of all of the old testament. It was always about Jesus. Salvation of the nations was not some plan B because the jews failed. It was always the plan every word of the OT must be understood in harmony with the NT.

Ok thank you dont come again.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Well then......Seeing that you have chosen the wrong path of kicking Israel to the curb, I shall excommunicate you by putting you on ignore. Bye-bye.
Ok thank you.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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There is no salvation outside of Christ,
All Hebrews who will be saved and are saves and have been saved are saves by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ.

There is no separation of jew and gentile with in the body of Christ. All in Christ are the elect. Those outside of Christ are not the elect. Abraham being the father of faith all of those who are in faith are sons of Abraham. Regardless of ethnicity.
 

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Replacement theology, 100% false doctrine. Romans 11 is proof.
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Supersessionism
Supersessionism is the traditional Christian belief that Christianity is the fulfillment of Biblical Judaism, and therefore that Jews who deny that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah fall short of their calling as God's Chosen people.

Supersessionism, in its more radical form, maintains that the Jews are no longer considered to be God's Chosen people in any sense. This understanding is generally termed "replacement theology."

The traditional form of supersessionism does not theorize a replacement; instead it argues that Israel has been superseded only in the sense that the Church has been entrusted with the fulfillment of the promises of which Jewish Israel is the trustee. This belief has served not only as the explanation for why believers in Christ should not become Jews, but is also the reason that Jews are not exempted by the Christian churches, from the call of the Gospel to believe in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and from the penalties due to sin.

In recent times, the doctrine of supersessionism has been blamed for mistreatment of the Jews in the past. Some liberal Protestant groups have therefore formally renounced supersessionism, affirming that Jews and other non-Christians have a valid way to find God within their own faith, which breaks from historic Protestant teaching. Dispensationalism affirms that salvation is only through faith in Christ, and that Jews fall short of obtaining the kingdom of the promised Messiah, unless they are converted to Christianity. However, in their view, a future mass conversion will result in the restoration of the nation Israel prior to the Millennium, apart from the church dispensation. This anticipation of a future role for the ethnic and geo-political nation of Israel in the plan of God, apart from the Church, is what is meant by some dispensationalists who style themselves as rejectors of "supersessionism" or "replacement theology", and thus they are using the terms in a way that is distinctive to their expectation of future eventshttps://www.theopedia.com/supersessionism."
 

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Looking back at my embarrassing grammar and punctuation skills... :p

I was referring back to Isaiah 54, where 54:3 was offered with an opinion of its interpretation. Within Bible Hub's word study tools, there is a feature that explains the morphology of every word written within any particular verse by hovering over it. It may take a little further research to understand the significance of each part of speech. Noun, masculine, and singular are commonly understood examples but something like "accusative" case might require a review of exactly what that means.
Proves you are human
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Proves you are human

A long time ago someone didn't like what I was saying so they started picking on my grammar. I said " this isn't school, when I am making a point grammar goes out the window and sometimes spelling". Then I took one of their posts and they had made several mistakes. lol They were banned not long after.
 

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There is no salvation outside of Christ,
All Hebrews who will be saved and are saves and have been saved are saves by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ.
Never said there was salvation outside of Christ.

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There is no separation of jew and gentile with in the body of Christ. All in Christ are the elect. Those outside of Christ are not the elect. Abraham being the father of faith all of those who are in faith are sons of Abraham. Regardless of ethnicity.
Ever make a promise to one child, an older child that they can stay up later or what a movie that's too scary for the younger child? Does that change your love for the other child or mean that they aren't family? No, it just means you made a promise to one that doesn't apply to the other. It's simple.
 
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Never said there was salvation outside of Christ.

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Ever make a promise to one child, an older child that they can stay up later or what a movie that's too scary for the younger child? Does that change your love for the other child or mean that they aren't family? No, it just means you made a promise to one that doesn't apply to the other. It's simple.
So where are all the nonHebrew saved gonna be while this Jewish state is ruled by Jesus, but we arent gonna be allowed to be there?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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So where are all the nonHebrew saved gonna be while this Jewish state is ruled by Jesus, but we arent gonna be allowed to be there?
Why would we not be allowed to be there?
It will be an extraordinary time of peace on the earth, when Satan is in prison & unable to deceive us.
The Lord will bless the nations.


20 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:

‘Peoples shall yet come,
Inhabitants of many cities;

21 The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying,
“Let us continue to go and pray before the Lord,
And seek the Lord of hosts.
I myself will go also.”

22 Yes, many peoples and strong nations
Shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem,
And to pray before the Lord.’

23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ’ ”

~Zech 8

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31 Envoys will come from Egypt;
Cush will submit herself to God.

32 Sing to God, you kingdoms of the earth,
sing praise to the Lord,

33 to him who rides across the highest heavens, the ancient heavens,
who thunders with mighty voice.

34 Proclaim the power of God,
whose majesty is over Israel,
whose power is in the heavens.

35 You, God, are awesome in your sanctuary;
the God of Israel gives power and strength to his people.
Praise be to God!

~Psalm 68