Can Correct Doctrine be Found

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Can correct doctrine be found outside of the whole Holy Bible?

  • Correct doctrine can be found outside of the whole Holy Bible.

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Correct doctrine can't be found outside of the whole Holy Bible.

    Votes: 7 87.5%
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BearerOfTheMorningStar

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Deuteronomy said:
Since I agree with you about the Trinity being thoroughly Biblical (save things like its name, as well other extra-Biblical words that we use to describe/define what we mean), I think that my understanding of "a doctrine that is created outside of the Bible" must be different than yours is. As far as there being any question about the fact that the doctrine of the Trinity is drawn out of the Bible, how could it be anything else (as no one is coming up with something like that on their own ;)).

I'll have to reconsider my "outside of the Bible" definition concerning doctrine (so for now I'll cast my vote the other way).
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Indeed, you put it very well here. Even though the words "Trinity Doctrine" are not in the Bible, the substance of the doctrine itself is in the Bible therefore is a sound doctrine and not a heresy.

For the sake of an example of a doctrine that is found from the outside the Holy Bible for instance you have heresies today such as Homosexual Marriage. This of course is not found in the Holy Bible, but rather originates from mankind. As it originates from mankind it naturally comes into direct conflict and contradiction of the Holy Bible on multiple levels; for example what the Bible says about that sin, what the Bible says about actual marriage, what the Bible says about the establishment of the churches, etc. Therefore it constitutes as being a heretical doctrine, and even if it is performed in a church that claims to be Christian, this does not make the heresy suddenly valid, but merely means that any church that holds this doctrine is excommunicated from the holy body of Christ.
 
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BearerOfTheMorningStar said:
Indeed, you put it very well here. Even though the words "Trinity Doctrine" are not in the Bible, the substance of the doctrine itself is in the Bible therefore is a sound doctrine and not a heresy.

For the sake of an example of a doctrine that is found from the outside the Holy Bible for instance you have heresies today such as Homosexual Marriage. This of course is not found in the Holy Bible, but rather originates from mankind. As it originates from mankind it naturally comes into direct conflict and contradiction of the Holy Bible on multiple levels; for example what the Bible says about that sin, what the Bible says about actual marriage, what the Bible says about the establishment of the churches, etc. Therefore it constitutes as being a heretical doctrine, and even if it is performed in a church that claims to be Christian, this does not make the heresy suddenly valid, but merely means that any church that holds this doctrine is excommunicated from the holy body of Christ.
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Do you believe someone who is not in the body of Christ when they die, they go to hell?
 
BearerOfTheMorningStar

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RaceRunner said:
Do you believe someone who is not in the body of Christ when they die, they go to hell?
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Yes, though understanding here hell to rather mean the Lake of Fire, but yes, if you die while still in excommunication from the body of Christ, at the day of judgement they shall all be cast into the Lake of Fire. Only all those within communication with Christ will inherit the Kingdom of Christ eternal.
 
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well,that depends. If you go to a Baptist church, you will hear Baptist doctrine. Go to a Mennonite church,you will hear their doctrine.My advice is to study your entire Bible,and let the Bible interpret itself without and human intervention
 
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BearerOfTheMorningStar said:
Indeed, you put it very well here. Even though the words "Trinity Doctrine" are not in the Bible, the substance of the doctrine itself is in the Bible therefore is a sound doctrine and not a heresy.

For the sake of an example of a doctrine that is found from the outside the Holy Bible for instance you have heresies today such as Homosexual Marriage. This of course is not found in the Holy Bible, but rather originates from mankind. As it originates from mankind it naturally comes into direct conflict and contradiction of the Holy Bible on multiple levels; for example what the Bible says about that sin, what the Bible says about actual marriage, what the Bible says about the establishment of the churches, etc. Therefore it constitutes as being a heretical doctrine, and even if it is performed in a church that claims to be Christian, this does not make the heresy suddenly valid, but merely means that any church that holds this doctrine is excommunicated from the holy body of Christ.
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I agree with you that homosexual marriage is very unbiblical because of the list in Romans 1 and other places in Paul's writings as well as Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 1 and 2 also clearly show what God's will is regarding marriage.
The Trinity is shown very clearly in the Gospel of John. In one theologically liberal's commentary on that gospel, he said that he came to the conclusion that John believed in the Trinity!
 
oyster67

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Dino246 said:
More bait to trap the unwary.
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Anyone who would go extra-biblical for sound biblical doctrine needs to be snapped. The study of the Pure Word with the aid of the Spirit for understanding is the only way for Joe to go.
 
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oyster67 said:
Anyone who would go extra-biblical for sound biblical doctrine needs to be snapped. The study of the Pure Word with the aid of the Spirit for understanding is the only way for Joe to go.
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:love: Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative? (Again, if your answer is "Scripture interprets Scripture", then, since persons disagree about the content of Scripture's interpretation of Scripture, whose determination of the Scripture's interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?) :love:
 
oyster67

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RaceRunner said:
:love: Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative? (Again, if your answer is "Scripture interprets Scripture", then, since persons disagree about the content of Scripture's interpretation of Scripture, whose determination of the Scripture's interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?) :love:
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Umm.. :unsure: Holy Spirit of Understanding??? :confused:
 
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oyster67 said:
Umm.. :unsure: Holy Spirit of Understanding??? :confused:
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Whose interpretation of Scripture is correct? What’s the best method to arrive at the correct interpretation of Scripture? E.g. Allegorical method. Grammatico-historical method.
 
oyster67

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Ephesians 4:
3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
oyster67

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RaceRunner said:
Whose interpretation of Scripture is correct? What’s the best method to arrive at the correct interpretation of Scripture? E.g. Allegorical method. Grammatico-historical method.
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Holy Spirit Method.
 
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Grizz44 said:
well,that depends. If you go to a Baptist church, you will hear Baptist doctrine. Go to a Mennonite church,you will hear their doctrine.My advice is to study your entire Bible,and let the Bible interpret itself without and human intervention
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that is what i did,

in read the Bible from cover to cover multiple times own my own before seeking out a church..
 
Cameron143

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The answer could be yes or no depending upon what is meant. If the question means are there sources other than the Bible which contain truth, the answer is yes. An accurate book on some aspect of science contains truth.
There are also volumes of works written by Christian authors that contain truth and accurate doctrine.
But as the source of truth and doctrine, the Bible alone is authoritative.
 
Pilgrimshope

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oyster67 said:
Holy Spirit Method.
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“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
The_Watchers_2017

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I like Isaiah's version of the Body of God:

מִ֥י הֶאֱמִ֖ין לִשְׁמֻעָתֵ֑נוּ וּזְר֥וֹעַ יְהֹוָ֖ה עַל־מִ֥י נִגְלָֽתָה׃
Upon whom has the [[Arm of GOD]] been revealed?

Who, is God's Arm?
Yeshua!
 
p_rehbein

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The act or result of teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ( 2 Timothy 1:1 Luke 4:3-4 ) Source: A King James Dictionary.

What Does Doctrine Mean? Bible Definition and References
WebIn Scripture, then, doctrine refers to the entire body of essential theological truths that define and describe that message ( 1 Tim 1:10 ; 4:16 ; 6:3 ; Titus 1:9 ). The message includes historical facts, such as those regarding the events of the life of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor 11:23 …
 
p_rehbein

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True Doctrine is found in Scripture:

2 Timothy, Chapter 6:

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

BTW: Someone mentioned the Holy Trinity, and I should point out that the entire Gospel of John announces, identifies and justifies the Holy Trinity. Unbelievers in the Trinity just have to deal with it until the day comes when they shall know the TRUTH.
 
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p_rehbein said:
The act or result of teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ( 2 Timothy 1:1 Luke 4:3-4 ) Source: A King James Dictionary.

What Does Doctrine Mean? Bible Definition and References
WebIn Scripture, then, doctrine refers to the entire body of essential theological truths that define and describe that message ( 1 Tim 1:10 ; 4:16 ; 6:3 ; Titus 1:9 ). The message includes historical facts, such as those regarding the events of the life of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor 11:23 …
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“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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