Can Correct Doctrine be Found

[RaceRunner]

Outside of the Whole Holy Bible?

 

[Deuteronomy]

Hello @RaceRunner, I believe that "correct doctrine" can be found outside of the Bible, as long as the doctrine supports (or, at the very least, does not contradict) what the Bible teaches.

For instance, the church formulated the Doctrine of the Trinity to both circumscribe and safeguard what the Bible teaches us about the Godhead, so in that sense it is not only "correct doctrine", but a necessary one as well, all things considered.

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

 

[RaceRunner]

Hello @RaceRunner, I believe that "correct doctrine" can be found outside of the Bible, as long as the doctrine supports (or, at the very least, does not contradict) what the Bible teaches.

For instance, the church formulated the Doctrine of the Trinity to both circumscribe and safeguard what the Bible teaches us about the Godhead, so in that sense it is not only "correct doctrine", but a necessary one as well, all things considered.

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

Thank you for your reply.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Church doctrines concerning things like Divine omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience come to mind as well (and MANY more like them), as such doctrines are also quite useful/very important for us to have to gain a greater and correct understanding of who our heavenly Father really is, and that with an economy of words and study time too

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Outside of the Whole Holy Bible?

if God hadn’t designed man to write down and preserve his words to them , we would all now in the latter times create our own fantasy of what he’s like , what he said is life what he said will cause death each person would distort his image into thier own image and spread thier own idea about God

theres a lesson that israel never learned also they kept parting from what God actually said to then through th e prophets that earned them what would come if they wouldnt repent , they refused Gods prophets because they were saying “ if you don’t repent all the corses in the law will come to pass like God swore to you in the law “

about they heaped themselves up some false prophets who said “ God will never punish us like all those terrible warnings he loves us and has chosen us let’s just eat drink and be happy we’re chosen and safe , praise the lord “

Anytime someone claims God said something he didn’t say it’s a terrible condemnation they’ve brought

there’s a reason the scripture stopped when the apostles died in rome but thier writings are still the source of peoples faith in all the world

God doesn’t change what Jesus said then Will always remain the gospel wrotten in the Bible is what will save souls someone reads it believes it and then goes and preaches it in thier own words that’s how it spread to us by the written word

 

[gb9]

Outside of the Whole Holy Bible?

you mean outside the 1611 version.....

 

[RaceRunner]

you mean outside the 1611 version.....

I Meant it when I said, "The whole Holy Bible".

Do you believe correct doctrine can be found outside of the whole Holy Bible?

 

[Dino246]

More bait to trap the unwary.

 

[RaceRunner]

More bait to trap the unwary.

Either you believe correct doctrine can be found outside the whole Holy Bible or you don't, it's as simple as that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Outside of the Whole Holy Bible?

"Doctrine" is essentially Bible truth and it comes directly from God and Christ through the apostles. Doctrine* (Gk didaskalia) is literally instruction or teaching, but spiritually instruction or teaching from God. So there are no doctrines to be found outside of Scripture.

*Strong's Concordance
didaskalia: instruction (the function or the information)
Original Word: διδασκαλία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: didaskalia
Phonetic Spelling: (did-as-kal-ee'-ah)
Definition: instruction (the function or the information)
Usage: instruction, teaching.

Because there are so many false teachings out there (as well as on Christian forums) every believer needs to be grounded in sound doctrine through his or her church. Unfortunately too many churches are not teaching what is essential and fundamental in Bible Christianity. And too many denominations have a mixture of truth and error. Which means that everyone needs to be a very serious student of the Word of God, "rightly dividing the Word of Truth".

The most fundamental doctrine is the doctrine of Scripture. The Holy Bible is the inspired written Word of God, therefore it is inerrant and infallible. Inspiration applies to the original manuscripts, but divine preservation is also a part of the doctrine of Scripture. Which brings us to the bible version issue.

The only English language translation today which is based upon the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts is the King James Bible (1611) also known as the Authorized Version. It has been the leading English language translation for over 400 years because it is a word-for-word faithful and reliable translation, over which great care was exercised. It is the traditional printed texts which represent the vast majority of manuscripts, and as a whole they are consistent with each other (barring minor differences).

Beginning in the late 18th century "critics" began to attack the doctrine of the divine preservation of Scripture and thus resorted to a minority of corrupt manuscripts to produce their "critical texts". Based upon these, today we have a whole raft of corrupted bible versions and paraphrases which are vigorously promoted, and have ensnared many uninformed Christians. They have also attacked fundamental Bible doctrines, therefore this issue many not be ignored.

 

[JaumeJ]

Scripture, the written code that is, kills. Scripture, the written code that is, given life to imbue in the believer only, exclusively, by the Holy Spirit.
Truth does manifest Itself apart from Scripture by the Holy Spirit, and all who believe understand this. If this were not the case, many, if not all, would not have been saved by our Savior.
You believe God? If this is so, it is by the Holy Spirit, for faith is the gift of our Maker, not something fashioned by the minds of men.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

No, correct doctrine cannot be found outside of the Holy Bible. All doctrines outside of the Holy Bible are classified by the Holy Bible as being doctrines that originate from man or doctrines that originate from demons. Therefore any doctrine that originates outside of the Holy Bible is what is called a Heresy. The creation, promotion, and/or stubborn adherence to any heresy will result naturally in a direct contradiction to the sound doctrines found in the Holy Bible. While there is room for grace due to ignorance and to allow the unlearned to learn, the persistence in adherence, promotion, or creation of any heretical doctrine contrary to the Holy Bible will result in excommunication from the holy body of Christ.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Hello @RaceRunner, I believe that "correct doctrine" can be found outside of the Bible, as long as the doctrine supports (or, at the very least, does not contradict) what the Bible teaches.

For instance, the church formulated the Doctrine of the Trinity to both circumscribe and safeguard what the Bible teaches us about the Godhead, so in that sense it is not only "correct doctrine", but a necessary one as well, all things considered.

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

The Doctrine of the Trinity does not originate outside of the Holy Bible, but is found extensively throughout the Holy Bible, even beginning from the first three verses of the first page of the first chapter of the first book of the Holy Bible. Therefore the Doctrine of the Trinity does not constitute a heretical doctrine or a doctrine from outside of the Holy Bible.

 

[Adstar]

All doctrine necessary for a believer to have eternity with God can be found in the Holy Bible..

 

[ResidentAlien]

Outside of the Whole Holy Bible?

What was the last name you were here under? Seems I've seen this movie before.

 

[Deuteronomy]

The Doctrine of the Trinity does not originate outside of the Holy Bible, but is found extensively throughout the Holy Bible, even beginning from the first three verses of the first page of the first chapter of the first book of the Holy Bible. Therefore the Doctrine of the Trinity does not constitute a heretical doctrine or a doctrine from outside of the Holy Bible.

Since I agree with you about the Trinity being thoroughly Biblical (save things like its name, as well other extra-Biblical words that we use to describe/define what we mean), I think that my understanding of "a doctrine that is created outside of the Bible" must be different than yours is. As far as there being any question about the fact that the doctrine of the Trinity is drawn out of the Bible, how could it be anything else (as no one is coming up with something like that on their own ).

I'll have to reconsider my "outside of the Bible" definition concerning doctrine (so for now I'll cast my vote the other way).

 

[JaumeJ]

When I came to Jesus Yeshua, I did not have experience reading the Holy Book, the Bible.

At 24, I had previously, on many occasions attempted to read the Bible, but it made absolutely no sense to me ever.

Then one day I was drawn to seek my Maker. I inadvertently prayed and fasted in that with a broken heart in regards to all of humanity, I shook my fist to the heavens saying I would not eat or leave where I was, locked in a room until I knew Who It was who made everything , stating if He was truly good and there was some good outcome to all that is, I would like to know Him and perhaps even serve Him.

I went into a deep sleep and dreamed a dream that upon awakening I believed was from our Heavenly Father.

It was a very short fast, for certain. Later that same day, I was "prayer thinking" to the One Who Is saying to Him, "Gee, man is really wicked, oh man is so bad, Hey! I am a man! You re It.," and at that instant everything turned to Light and entered into me with the message, "All is going to be just fine."

I had been walking across the U of Illinoi quadrangle, Champaign-Urbana, and I could not contain my joy.

Turning around and almost walking and running on air back to the Student Union, I ran into my best friend there, Shelly, Jew, and he asked me, "What is wrong with you:" I replied, "God's Spirit came into m, your God, Yahweh.

That evening I was at The Red Herring," a coffee house on campus, and I waqs given to walk through a door into a storage room where I espied a blue book opened face down. I picked it upand began to read finding myself saying, T"hat's right, yes, yes! a" as i read. Looking to the top of the page, I saw it was the book of Isaiah, THE BIBLE!
I was taken directly to Jesus Christ, Yeshua from that point on

The following day I bought my own blue Bible at the Student book store, whic was named, "The Oxford Study Bible."

I wnt to the mountains and went every year for three years to read and reread the Word, sharing it with any and all I encounteredd along with the trees, the birds and all that would listen.

So , either you follks who think the Bible itself is necessary only, are a little bit unaware of our Father's love for us all, and His willingness to gather all to Him in the manner He chooses and not the manner of man, not always.

Let us praie God for He is worthy, it is not we.

 

[JaumeJ]

So , either you folks who think the Bible itself is necessary only, are a little bit unaware of our Father's love for us all, and His willingness to gather all to Him in the manner He chooses and not the manner of man, not always.or you are not fully aware...

 

[RaceRunner]

The whole Holy Bible does not contain the complete Deposit of Faith.

There is the fact that Christ commissioned His Apostles to "Preach and teach" (Mt. 28, 19), whereas no mention of "Writing" is found; furthermore, the Gospel was widely spread before a single word of the New Testament was ever written.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth. I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;" John 17:19-20

If we didn't have the apostles' writings, how could anyone today believe through their word? If things are screwed up now because of misinterpretation of the word, what would it be like if we had no written record at all?