In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

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it's really no wonder God ordered the Torah/Tanakh to be inside the Ark of the Covenant and inside the Holy of Hollies.
Genesis 11.7 was the time of Abraham,

Which by most accounts is roughly 4000 years ago

So if most people's idea is right
That means we have 2000 years of a lauguage that was undivided.

All other languages could have been translated from a devided lauguage.

Thus the question what language was undivided befor genesis 11.7

If you say just 1 ,

How do you know for sure🤔
because God ordered Moses to place the Torah into the Ark of the Covenant and that sat inside the Holy of Hollies. Hebrew was and still is the only Language that matters for the Old Testament.
 

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it's really no wonder God ordered the Torah/Tanakh to be inside the Ark of the Covenant and inside the Holy of Hollies.

because God ordered Moses to place the Torah into the Ark of the Covenant and that sat inside the Holy of Hollies. Hebrew was and still is the only Language that matters for the Old Testament.
has the ark of the convenant ever been found ?
 

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It would seem plausible that theres not one absolute authority of one language before gen 11.7
 

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to get a more accurate Date, how many years was Israel in Egypt?

The Torah claims:
Our sages explain that the countdown of 400 years began with Isaac's birth. G‑d's promise does not refer to Egypt by name, rather to a "land that is not theirs." As soon as Abraham had a child, his seed were subjected to living in lands that were not theirs—including Canaan which wasn't "theirs" at the time.

Isaac was sixty years old when Jacob was born, and Jacob was 130 years old when he went down to Egypt. This means that 190 of the 400 years elapsed before the Israelites arrived in Egypt. So the Israelites were in Egypt for a total of 210 years.

Interestingly, when Jacob first instructed his sons to descend to Egypt, he said, "Go down ("רדו") there and buy [food]." The numerical value of the Hebrew letters of the word "רדו" ("redu," "go down") is exactly 210!
Another hopelessly ignorant conclusion. You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Frankly its embarrassing.
 

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It's all gone quiet on the sea front, I think the day must have finally dawned 😉

Hallelujah.
 
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Another hopelessly ignorant conclusion. You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Frankly its embarrassing.
what's embarrassing is outsiders from 4,000 years ago thinking they have a clue. and then refusing the Clues the Hebrew gave for a bastard translation.

i am literally debating a learned pupil of a bastardized translation. and the pupil, is sold out thinking they got the goods, even though, it's Second Hand! you can't win against that Psychological Disorder!
 
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Another hopelessly ignorant conclusion. You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Frankly its embarrassing.
I tell you what, how does having Adam aged 230, make a difference other than moving things closer in date by 100 years?

My dates were already before yours but now you are closer by 100.

You trying to say your Version verifies mine or validates yours?
 

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I tell you what, how does having Adam aged 230, make a difference other than moving things closer in date by 100 years?

My dates were already before yours but now you are closer by 100.

You trying to say your Version verifies mine or validates yours?
personaly speaking there's no way of knowing the tora concealed in the ark of the covenant was of just a one language you think it was.

Seeing as that ark as never been found.

Plus your relying on ancient history for papers dating back 3500 years ago from the time of moses.

Plus only certain people where allowed to speak from the authorities texts at that time.

That could have been the ruling for the tora that was sealed in the ark. Only a few priests could have had access to it.

It may not have been in the language you think it was
 
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personaly speaking there's no way of knowing the tora concealed in the ark of the covenant was of just a one language you think it was.

Seeing as that ark as never been found.

Plus your relying on ancient history for papers dating back 3500 years ago from the time of moses.

Plus only certain people where allowed to speak from the authorities texts at that time.

That could have been the ruling for the tora that was sealed in the ark. Only a few priests could have had access to it.

It may not have been in the language you think it was
They used the same Torah Scrolls in the Synagogues so there was numerous copies of it.
 

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One would think that the very reason for a holy scroll being concealed in an ark of a convenant that has never been found.

Would because of certain powers certain knowledge possessed.

That was to be kept out of the hands of people
 

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Possibly even certain powers a certain language possessed too
 

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I tell you what, how does having Adam aged 230, make a difference other than moving things closer in date by 100 years?

My dates were already before yours but now you are closer by 100.

You trying to say your Version verifies mine or validates yours?
You have yet to even so much as specify your "version". I told you to post a link to this mythical text. You cannot or will not.
Vague notions of Torah and Tanach are meaningless if you cannot point to a specific manuscript or assembly of same.

But I know that you are obviously referring to the obviously corrupted Masoretic, so you are not razzing me buddy.

The nature of your folly: you do not know what you are talking about. Even your questions are absurdly farcical.
 

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I was hoping for a link too.
I can't seem to find a a translator, that translates Hebrews to English,

They work one minute then don't work at all.
 
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I believe God's word. It states each day consisted of evening and morning. That fact remains true today. Also relevant is the fact that God rested on the 7th day. If the days lasted years as some suggest it would mean God rested for quite some time.

Gen 1:1-2:1
In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
Certainly 6 day creation is spelled out in Scripture, that goes without question.
I sometimes wonder how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before the fall.
 

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Does anyone have a good working app for Hebrew to English ?. Thanks 👍
 

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This is an image that I shot just 3 days ago. Summer solace known as the longest day of the year, in this image you will see plannet Venus in a position you would never normally see it

I can't upload a clear image
File to large but you'll see the moon and Venus as a small dot
 

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You have to click on the screen shot link to open it up to become much clearer 🙂
 

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Certainly 6 day creation is spelled out in Scripture, that goes without question.
I sometimes wonder how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before the fall.
The bible does not reveal how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. But we know they were there less than 130 years. Eve did not conceive Cain and Abel until after God drove the couple from the garden. (Gen. 3:24, 4:1-2) And Seth, Abel's "replacement", was born when Adam was 130 years old. (Gen. 5:3)
 

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@hornetguy Thought the following scripture might be of interest. It specifically addresses the foundation of the world:


"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
From the blood of Abel to ..." Luke 11:50-51