[Unforgivable Sin] Finally! Scriptural Defense That One CAN'T Commit IT (Unpardonable Sin)

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Yeah, ermm…. selahsays Christians don’t gotta act unChristian-like. We’re all just sincerely trying our best to understand.
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Strictly speaking, the definitions of the Greek words and grammar of the passage in original Greek (I took classical and Ancient GREEK in college and was a scholar and can speak it some) say and mean CONTINUALLY Attribute the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, not a single action.

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I am horribly confused.... what is your point for pulling dated linguistics research (some of your references are old and are not completely relevant) about aborigines, African (Non Hebrew and non Greek) research, and English references? I thought we were talking about linguistics as it pertains to JESUS' Words?

You shouldn't just throw up citations just to LOOK smart.

Please explain to me or summarize how each reference either supports your stance or disproved my stance. I am willing to be corrected, and will rescind any snarky remark that i have made against you or anyone IF you can show me where I err. The same standards that I demand of you, I can demand of myself. I have nothing to hide. I hate hypocrisy.

How does ANY of your references have direct bearing on JESUS' GREEK AND HEBREW?

I understand you mentioned Aramaic, but that is outdated research. It was popular around its socially aware peak when Passion of the Christ came out. But science, archeology, scholarship, need to keep up with the updates and new data and findings.

New research has pointed that Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were well spoken and written by many people at that time. And they even liken it to America now: Greek is the ancient world's English, Aramaic is like thr ancient world's Spanish, and Hebrew would be like the ancient world's Mandarin Chinese.

Even a child can understand this analogy.

Simplifying complex research and data for other people to digest ENJOYABLY AND ACCURATELY is what Olympian Champions of Knowledge and Wisdom know how to do.

Rather than discourage and argue, how about we learn from each other? What do ya say? I am willing to be corrected and learn new information.

Anyways, it is on the table. It is up to you to decide if you care enough to seek TRUTH or instead follow after pride.

BLESSING TO YOU, The_Watchers_2017!

Whoa, time flies when you are responding to heated replies.

Much love to all our family here.

--Forest DYFONG
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I understand you mentioned Aramaic, but that is outdated research. It was popular around its socially aware peak when Passion of the Christ came out. But science, archeology, scholarship, need to keep up with the updates and new data and findings.

New research has pointed that Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were well spoken and written by many people at that time. And they even liken it to America now: Greek is the ancient world's English, Aramaic is like thr ancient world's Spanish, and Hebrew would be like the ancient world's Mandarin Chinese.

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I found this great resource that details and answers many worries about the unforgivable sin and unpardonable sin.

One must consider the context in which Jesus said that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be unforgivable (cf. Matthew 12 and Mark 3).

Aramaic, is literally short hand Hebrew.

so, when you say: Aramaic is like the ancient world's Spanish, and Hebrew would be like the ancient world's Mandarin Chinese.
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that literally is the dumbest thing ever said. Hebrew and Aramaic would be like Spanish and Portuguese. both espano but one has more information based upon a secondary languages.

you have Hebrew and Aramaic like worlds apart and factually, they're more like Big Brother and little brother.

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You misunderstand my main point and frame of reference. English, Spanish, and Chinese are the 3 most popular/widespread languages in America. My frame of reference, is that English is Greek being most common, Aramaic is Babylonia-ish Hebrew dialect which is second most common, like Spanish. And Mandarin Chinese is a language of a people group whose ancient roots and culture and ancient religion has long been lost in practice today, and strangers. A minority language that is used in major business deals with high positions of authority: which SUPER accurately reflects not only Hebrew as a language, but the whole birds-eye view of how the Hebrews as a nation RICH with culture felt and wrongfully experienced in their ancient history of fighting and wars, losing their heritage, losing their ancient religion, losing their government and pride to stangers.

I say look at the stars and the beauty of perfect safety from the unforgivable sin, and some of you are staring at a speck of dust, micro-analyzing irrelevant points, JUST TO WIN A PETTY BATTLE AND ARGUMENT that will and may lethally kill and hurt sincerely weaker paranoid Christians.

Have you ever met a baby Christian so scared of the unforgivable sin that he later commits suicide because he doesn't want sin against God even more while alive and be condemned more at time of later death. This boy is someone I knew personally, and all he wanted when he took his young life is to be content with LESS hellfire intensity when he dies, and please God as best as he now could even "after committing the unforgivable sin."

Have you ever seen a mommy and daddy not be able to comfort their Christian child who worries that JESUS their own SAVIOUR, would never forgive him, AND THE CHILD GOES INTO A LIFE OF MENTAL ILLNESS, MAY END IN SUICIDE, MAY END UP GIVING UP AND PERSUING HOMOSEXUALITY.

WAKE UP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD(!!!), and search Christian mental illness forums and mental illness forums and mental illness literature and real world accounts, and this MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN is a VERY LETHAL, COMMON thing that CAUSES mental illness, bi-polar, and deviant behaviors, AND SPIRITUAL DEATH (BECOMING REPROBATE) AND PHYSICAL DEATH (SUICIDE) in baby Christians who don't have a system of loving brothers and sisters to help them against the lie that they have committed the unforgivable sin.

Worst case hypothetical scenario (that is not even scripturally true according to the verbatim words of JESUS): it is " possible " for a NON-SINCERE, spiritually INSANE person to commit the unforgivable sin.

But even in the (FAKE) WORST CASE SCENARIO: SINCERE BABY CHRISTIANS, AND SINCERE UNBELIEVERS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JESUS, AND SINCERE ADULTS CAN NEVER COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN>>>TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN! CAN WE AGREE ON THIS?!

Awwwww, come on! My main excitement for the NEW ARTICLE finding is how many lives would be SAVED by this GREAT news! But some of your responses are just KILLJOYS and may end up SLAYING sincere children. I hope you see that.

DIDNT JESUS SAY, "Is it lawful to do good..., or to do evil? to save life, or to kill?"

I meant to share an article someone else wrote, TO FLIPPIN' SAVE LIVES!!!

What is "your" reason for arguing against it?

It better NOT be out of a place of PRIDE: AND BETTER NOT BE just because you have a petty "title" of a pastor, theologian, scholar, or teacher or are a BLIND "teacher's pet" of a hypocritical and unloving pastor, apostle, prophet, shepherd, denomination, church, or even cult.

WHAT GOOD IS ANY OF THAT IF IT IS NOT LOVING AND DONE TO SAVE LIVES?!

SOME OF YOU NEVER HAVE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER SUFFER THE LETHAL MISTUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.

SOME OF YOU DONT HAVE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, SPIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY.

SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT CARE (the worst trait to have).

I do not aim this at any one person who replied to me. I am not Moses, nor Satan, so I have no birth-right to accuse (falsely).

I am not directly accusing anyone, just upset that people dont tend towards SAVING weaker lives and weaker children and understanding TRUTH, and i am upset that people don't have the wisdom to cherish a beautiful thing that will save thousands of children.

Why argue against a beautiful thing?

--Forest DYFONG
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So a Christian will say no you can't commit the unpardonable sin, because your saved, and all other sins can be forgiven.

Your argument is with satan not us.

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Your friend was probably being attacked by Satan,
Or by a person under the influence of Satan.

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My first argument is against Christian leaders and Christian warriors and people who pretend to know the love of God and Scripture, who are too weak and biased (and also don't care) about defending and PROVING to a fellow child he or she did not commit the unforgivable sin WITH VERBATIM SCRIPTURE, ALL OF THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

Notice, all the people who argue against ME and the article have used scripture to condemn and say some people can never be forgiven.

Notice, NONE of the people THAT HAVE ARGUED AGAINST THE OP (OPENING POST) ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD, who "say" they are scriptural, NONE have used SCRIPTURE to SAVE the weaker, paranoid sincere baby Christian, or sincere unbeliever wanting JESUS.

All you who have gave your interpretations to condemn, I challenge you now to come up with scripture that can save a child who is paranoid of committing the unforgivable sin and is suicidal.

If you can use scripture to say someone can NEVER BE FORGIVEN, use SCRIPTURE Now to convince a paranoid sincere unbeliever or baby Christian that they have not committed the unforgivable sin.

If you quoted scripture to kill, now quote it to save life. Why not only save life? Why not always SAVE LIVES?

My JOY is that the article writer uses scripture to interpret scripture TO SAVE CHILDREN'S LIVES.

Many families that are torn apart by the misunderstanding of the unforgivable sin, ALL BLAME PASTORS AND BIBLE TEACHERS AND SHEPHERDS AND FOOLISH CHRISTIANS FOR MISUSING SCRIPTURE AND NOT EXPLAINING AND CLEANING UP THEIR CRAP. It is in the stories of victims on mental illness forums, christian mental illness forums, and many real world accounts. JUST SEARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD... AND CARE!

BUT IF YOU NEVER HAD IT HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, MAYBE YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.

GOD FORBID IT HAPPEN TO YOUR SPOUSE, NEICE, CHILD, OR GRANDCHILD.

WISE PEOPLE MINIMIZE ALL PAIN AND SUFFERING WHEN POSSIBLE.

IF A PERSON IS A COWARD AND A HYPOCRITE, (1) THEY WILL QUOTE SCRIPTURE HAPHAZARDLY AND INCOMPLETELY WITHOUT CHECKING ALL THE RELEVANT FACTS, (2) then HE REJECTS COMMON SENSE AND TRUE RELEVANT FACTS ABOUT SCRIPTURE AND SCRIPTURE CONTEXT EVEN WHEN SOMEONE PROVES TO HIM THAT HE IS WRONG AND NOT LOVING, (3) THEN HE SAYS "IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM, IT'S NOT OUR CHURCHES PROBLEM, IT IS NOT OUR TEACHING'S PROBLEM" AND TO COVER HIS BUTT-LOAD OF CRAP, HE PUTS THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE; (4)[WORST CASE:] IF THEY ARE REALLY PERVERSE AND EVIL THEY WILL EVEN HIDE BEHIND PEOPLE AND ANONYMITY AND FAKE AUTHORITY AND CREDENTIALS, AND THEN DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR CRAP AND SCREW UPS: SINS AND INIQUITIES THAT THEY (SECRETLY) LOVE (AND SCREW WITH) MORE THAN JESUS.

I AM NOT DIRECTLY POINTING MY FINGER AT ANYONE HERE ON THIS FORUM, AND I DID NOT MENTION ANY NAMES.

THESE STATEMENTS ARE JUST FACTS AND TRUTH.

DON'T DIFFUSE THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU ARE AT FAULT, "If you are truly at fault..."

Don't "NOT CARE"!

Again that is for everyone to learn from, not a direct accusation or direct blame.

BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!

--Forest DYFONG
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Your argument is with Satan.

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IN MY SEMI-SCRIPTURAL SEMI-PERSONAL LANGUAGE, I CALL IT, "LYING FAKE CHRISTIANS AND SHEPHERDS FOLLOWING THE DEVIL AND CHEATING ON THIER SPOUSES AND GIRLFRIEND BY HAVING SPIRITUAL SEX WITH THE DEVIL, AND LOVING IT, ALL NIGHT LONG... IN A HOTEL ROOM, AWAY AND HIDDEN FROM THE WIFE AND CHILDREN."

Again, you misunderstand me, I am not "condemning" you. I am making general statements of TRUTH AND FACT, that applies to all humans, even including ME, IF I were to go astray. I hate hypocrisy. Whatever standard I measure against anyone, I measure to myself too, and I STAND BY THIS, FOREVER. IT IS WHAT JESUS COMMANDED US TO DO.

BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!

--Forest DYFONG
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A warrior Christian would know better

A Christian leader would know better.

A Christian leader would know better.

We are family, and we need to remember that.

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HONESTLY TRY TO TELL THAT TO SO MANY PEOPLE BACKSTABBED BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS.

IF YOU SAY CHRISTIAN LEADERS KNOW BETTER, THEN ALL OF THEM WOULD NOT BACKSTAB PEOPLE AND LIE ABOUT IT.

BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT SOME SHEPHERDS AND CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE HYPOCRITES WHEN THEY DO KNOW BETTER... AND THEY STILL LIE AND CHEAT AND STEAL AND HIDE IT AND DONT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

IN THE STORY OF GENESIS, CHAPTER 3, (YOU READ IT RIGHT?), DID EVE SAYING, "O GOD! YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITH SATAN, NOT ME, NOT MY (CHRISTIAN) LEADER ADAM, NOT US(!)" GET HER OUT OF TROUBLE? DID HER BLAMING SATAN, GET HER OUT OF THE LIFE-LONG CURSE OF BIRTH PAIN, AND LET HER AND ADAM AND ALL MANKIND AVOID THE DEATH PENALTY OR THE CURSE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?! WHY WOULD GOD PUNISH THEM IF THEY WEREN'T GUILTY OF DELIBERATE WRONG-DOING? OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THEIR FAULT. THEY KNEW BETTER ALSO, AND STILL SINNED.

RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE SOMETIMES RESPONSIBLE FOR WORLD-SHATTERING NIGHTMARE STARTING SCREW UPS. IT WAS TRUE OF JESUS' TIME, IT'S STILL TRUE NOW. "NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN... RIGHT? GOD'S WORD CANNOT LIE. JESUS AND GOD KNEW HIS OWN PEOPLE WOULD BETRAY HIM, AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ALL WHO SAY TO JESUS, "LORD, LORD!" ARE HIS PEOPLE... SOME CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE. I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP, JESUS SAID THIS. JOHN 16:2 : " ... Yes, the time is coming that WHOEVER KILLS you will think that he offers God service. " THIS INCLUDES BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE, BLUE, PURPLE, AND ORANGE PEOPLE (ALL) WHO KILL PEOPLE THINKING GOD OR SAYING GOD WANTED IT THAT WAY.

Are you saying just because someone is a Christian leader, they are not guilty when they do wrong and their words or actions kill people and children?


^^^ What do you mean by this? All christian leaders are not responsible for their own screw ups? Are you saying only Satan is responsible and not the christian leader?!

Your words don't make sense to people who have REALLY experienced the REAL WORLD and the SCRIPTURES and the crap that comes from hypocritical Christians.

Still, I forgive you for not being scriptural.

If we need to reconcile, I am willing to understand you more and talk and reconcile.

It is on the table. I hold no bitterness against you or anyone else.

We are family, and we need to remember that.

BLESSINGS TO YOU AND EVERYONE!

--Forest DYFONG
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Dear Fellow Believers Who Worry About The Unforgivable Sin OR The Unpardonable Sin OR Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit,

I have posted this link before but THIS HELPED SAVE TWO OF MY BEST BUDDIES PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL LIVES RECENTLY!

This helped SAVE their LIVES FROM MENTAL-ILLNESS DRUGS, SUICIDE, AND A LIFETIME OF BEING TRAPPED BY PSYCHIATRISTS AND HOSPITAL STAYS (MORE LIKE BAKER'S ACT MEDICAL KIDNAPPING)

I found this great resource that details and answers many worries about the unforgivable sin and unpardonable sin.

For those who don't want to look at the resource, I'll summarize part of it in this forum post as best as I can for those needing immediate help.

[SUMMARY]

The is a website of the article is called: UnforgivableSin.org.

The article is: "What is the Unforgivable Sin?"

What is most refreshing about this article as opposed to most of the other sub-par, inadequate answers that other websites, shepherds, prophets, pastors, teachers, and scholars preach and promote is that THIS ARTICLE uses scripture to interpret scripture. EXEGESIS AT ITS FINEST!

This article also uses scripture and plain original GREEK (original language that the Gospels were written in) grammar and meanings to get to a point where the writer's main MESSAGE is that it is DEFINITIVELY, SCRIPTURALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any sincere person or any sincere sinner to commit blasphemy of the holy ghost or Holy Spirit, or SCRIPTURALLY IMPOSSIBLE to commit the " unforgivable or unpardonable " sin.

The article writer's visuals and quotes and emphasis are really helpful to drive this point home, but I'll try to summarize without plagiarizing:

1) The word for "Blaspheming" the Holy Spirit is in present tense in the Bible.

2) Greek present tense verbs often also mean CONTINUALLY AND NEVER STOPPING A VERB ACTION.

3) Thus blaspheming the Holy Spirit (what JESUS meant) is CONTINUALLY AND NEVER EVER STOPPING: BLASPHEMING/CURSING/TALKING BAD/DENYING SUPERNATURAL MIRACLES/DENYING JESUS. If you repent, you can always be forgiven. If you NEVER repent, obviously you can't ever be fully forgiven completely.

DONE!

The website article above quotes the bible verses, has infographics, bolds important words of emphasis, and lays it out in a super elegant way. They go out of their way to prove, using the scriptures like a BEREAN, that the scriptures define and literally say and mean that it is impossible to commit the unforgivable sin.

All the website content is ALL FREE. Such a gem for me that came in a desperate time for my buddies.

May you all be blessed too!

Sincerely,

Forest DYFONG
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