Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

All the scriptures have to agree. So when they don't, they need to be reconciled. Everything isn't always as plain as it seems.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to seek it out.

1 Corinthians 8:9...But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

Everything has to be established in the mouth of 2 or more witnesses. In this case Yahshua and the Disciples, YHWH and all the prophets all say idols are non permissible. SO everyone in Scripture pretty much....

Well during the 6th Trumpet idols are still not permissible

The 6th Trumpet - Revelation 9:20-21, "And the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship the demons, and idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood, which are neither able to see, nor to hear, nor to walk. (Psa 115:4-7, Psa 135:15-17, Dan 5:23). And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their drug sorceries, nor of their whoring, nor of their thefts.”

I do agree they are referring to the same thing. I disagree on what it means.
But thanks for the discussion.

Wow okay I’m sorry you have all these conclusions and can’t hear what it’s saying take care I’m not looking for crazy arguments but I’ve shown what I said and apparently you don’t think Moses wrote what he wrote or some other bizarre logic to skip over the scriptures saying it …..

Ok I cant see how anything with an idol is permissible when every man of YHWH speaks strongly against it...

1 John 5:21, “Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amĕn.”

Revelation 21:7-8, “The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Elohim and he shall be My son. “But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 22:15, “But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”

Revelation 22:15, “But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”

You offer three passages here, each without the context as though they all support your assertion. For example, ! John 2:8 follows v. 7 saying,
"At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because (footnote: or that) the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining."

And the Matthew 19 passage's conclusion of the Apostles asking, "who then can be saved?" Followed by Jesus' declaration that, with man it is impossible," and I trust you know the rest.

And Genesis 26:5 reference to Abraham's calling and his obedience in trusting God even when the situation seemed impossible.

So how do you take Moses contrary word to Jesus word ? Like Moses said “if you don’t want to be married to your wife because you find an issue , get divorced and then you can remarry “

But Jesus says “ no that’s adultery don’t divorce and remarry “

a that’s all I was getting at when we first started talking Moses words are the old covenant Jesus words are the new covenant

I understand your position. Again, thanks for the discussion.

"This liberty of yours", general Christian liberty; there was never any liberty to eat food offered to idols.

Yet you are ignoring what is written in the verses I quoted,

" but an old command which you have had from the beginning. " just because he says new command does not negate that there is an old command that he says is valid...

and how do you read "my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws" to mean Abraham did not indeed keep "His Commands and Laws?" It literally says

1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”

because the next verse continues on does not neagte what the prior verse says.

Be well, guard youself against what Peter warned of.

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “

Don't you see, the Law was not the true light, and it "is passing away." That's quite reminiscent of, "not a jot nor tittle shall pass from the law till all be accomplished," doesn't it?

He's not talking about general Christian liberty. He's talking about meat offered to idols. It's the subject of the entire chapter. If you read the early part of the chapter you find the reason for the liberty...there is only 1 God. Idols don't really exist. And all things are of God. It's the same argument made in 1 Corinthians 10...all things are lawful to me, but...also, whether you eat or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.

I think Yahshua explains it better than me, but I will give my understanding

Matthew 19:7-8, "They said to Him, “Why then did Mosheh command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so."

It seems to me they might have "peer pressured" Moses and he gave in, it does not explicitly say but something like that is what I think is most likely. Crazy too because Moses was pretty focused, serious and otherwise did not seem to move off anything YHWH told him, my thought is that YHWH chose Moses because he was so unwavering, but that Moses, killing the Egyptian, hitting the rocka second time and this are simply examples of his human weaknesses, even a man as strong as him. Really makes me think of Yahshua is a super impressive way because His walk was spotless.

Yes the new testement teaches ev
Brother consider that your making an argument that gods true name is found here

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But this isn’t his true name

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did you ever notice the Tetragrammaton doesn’t appear in the New Testament ? It’s because your lookin at the Old Testament thinking that’s the real truth but your arguing this

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not this

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

theres one God with one name ots the name he had when he became one of us

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ( his name is Jesus ) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-

The only name any one ever baptized in was jesus in scriptire because they understood he is the fullness of God as one person

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is the only place the son of God the father and his spirit are in one being

a you keep going back to the Old Testament after you say it’s the new word we need your trying to make a pattern into the reality and trying to see the truth through the veil but the gospel isn’t veiled it’s God saying here I am believe in me

God has a wonderful sense of humor and irony. But thanks for the warning. Don't let it escape your attention either.

You ar ejoking right? Or you havent read 1 John before?

1 John 2:6-11, "The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.d ( 1Jn 2:24) Again I write you a fresh command, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light now shines. The one who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in the darkness until now. The one who loves his brother stays in the light, and there is no stumbling-block in him. But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "

Love your beighbor, love YHWH, dont steal, honor your father and mothr IS NOT DARKNESS.

you are calling the Law darkness? maybe you are blind, that is im shocked,

EVIL is darkness hate is darkness.

But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "

So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't even keep? or does he only have to keep the ones that you can?

your just putting words in my mouth, quote my teext and show me my error, the exact spots.

So the 6,828 tiimes He said His name was יהוה, He was lying?

Psalms 110:1, "A Psalm of David. The LORD saith unto my lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. "

Psalms 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”