A Question about The Feasts

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SomeDisciple

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The preterist position is biblically irrefutable. The only argument that can be made, is a desperate accusation of heresy.
Preterism has more holes than Swiss cheese- which of those holes does the feasts fill? How does the feasts prove preterism?
 

SpeakTruth101

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They all point to Jesus. He fulfilled them all.
The Feast Days are prophetic shodow pictures of the works of Yahshua/Jesus 1st and 2nd coming

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (Presenting Hiself to YHWH - First Fruits)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever


To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”


Literally telling all about Yahshua/Jesus, thousands of years ago, amazing!
 

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There are spiritual and physical fulfillments of prophesy. Nearly everything YHWH did was on both levels. One does not negate the other IMHO.
 

HeIsHere

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The Feast Days are prophetic shodow pictures of the works of Yahshua/Jesus 1st and 2nd coming

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (Presenting Hiself to YHWH - First Fruits)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever


To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever


To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”


Literally telling all about Yahshua/Jesus, thousands of years ago, amazing!
Are there two covenants right now or one?
 

SpeakTruth101

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Are there two covenants right now or one?
One.

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

That has no consequence on if all the Feasts/Moadim are fulfilled already
 

Blik

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One.

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

That has no consequence on if all the Feasts/Moadim are fulfilled already
We need to understand God's purpose for us when God gave us the feasts. It was nothing to do with telling us if part of his plan has been fulfilled already or will be fulfilled or even to explain God's covenant with us.

The feasts give us God's complete plan for our salvation, they tell us the day of the year that plan was fulfilled or will be fulfilled even though we are not told the year, and we are to joyfully celebrate God's plan for us by feasting.
 

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Festivals are listed in Leviticus 23; they were first observed in the wilderness and later at the temple in Jerusalem, accompanied by sacrifices and offerings, which pointed forward to, and were fulfilled in Christ's sacrifice, resurrection, ascension, and Pentecost. There is no need to continue the feasts. Having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:15-17
 

SpeakTruth101

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We need to understand God's purpose for us when God gave us the feasts. It was nothing to do with telling us if part of his plan has been fulfilled already or will be fulfilled or even to explain God's covenant with us.

The feasts give us God's complete plan for our salvation, they tell us the day of the year that plan was fulfilled or will be fulfilled even though we are not told the year, and we are to joyfully celebrate God's plan for us by feasting.
Wonderful indeed

1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you."

Matthew 24:42-47, 42 “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Master is coming. 43 “And know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 “Because of this, be ready too, for the Son of Aḏam is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him. 45 “Who then is a trustworthy and wise servant, whom his master set over his household, to give them food in season? 46 “Blessed is that servant whom his master, having come, shall find so doing. 47 “Truly, I say to you that he shall set him over all his possessions.
 

SpeakTruth101

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Festivals are listed in Leviticus 23; they were first observed in the wilderness and later at the temple in Jerusalem, accompanied by sacrifices and offerings, which pointed forward to, and were fulfilled in Christ's sacrifice, resurrection, ascension, and Pentecost. There is no need to continue the feasts. Having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:15-17
Celebrate or not that is your choice, but not all are fulfilled

To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

I know Christmas and Easter have no prophecy in the word, only warning not to do as the pagans do and say it is to YHWH.

Jeremiah 10:1-5, “Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!”

Unger’s Bible Dictionary, by Merrill F. Unger, page 283

“Easter (Gr. pascha, from Heb. pesah), the Passover, and so translated in every passage excepting ‘‘intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people’’ (Acts 12:4). In the earlier English versions Easter had been frequently used as the translation of pascha. At the last revision Passover was substituted in all passages but this. See Passover. The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honor sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the 8th century Anglo-Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.”

Jeremiah 7:18-20, “The children are gathering wood, the fathers are lighting the fire, and the women are kneading their dough, to make cakes for the queen of the heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to other mighty ones, to provoke Me. Is it Me they are provoking?” declares יהוה. “Is it not themselves – unto the shame of their own faces? Therefore, thus said the Master יהוה, “See, My displeasure and My wrath is poured out on this place, on man and on beast, and on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it shall burn and not be quenched.”

Who is the “queen of the heaven”?

Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible:
Queen of Heaven: A goddess worshipped first in Judah in the late 7th century and then by Judahites who fled to Egypt after the Babylonian destruction of 586 b.c.e. (Jer. 7:16–20; 44:15–28). Jeremiah’s remarks associate the goddess with fertility and somewhat with war; she also, as her title indicates, has astral characteristics. The Canaanite goddess who best fits this description is Astarte, who is associated with both fertility and war and who has astral features. Phoenician inscriptions also ascribe to Astarte the title “Queen.” Astarte’s Mesopotamian counterpart, Ishtar, whose female devotees ritually weep in imitation of the goddess’ lamentations over her dead lover, Tammuz (Ezek.8:14).

Note: “Astarte’s Mesopotamian counterpart, Ishtar”

The Dictionary of Mythology, Folklore, and Symbols, Part 1, page 487, Spring Festival:
‘‘It incorporates some of the ancient Spring Equinox ceremonies of sun worship in which there were phallic rites and spring rites, and in which the deity or offering to the deity was eaten...The festival is symbolized by an ascension Lily...a chick breaking its shell, the colors white and green, the egg, spring flowers, and the Rabbit. The name is related to Astarte, Ashtoreth, Eostre and Ishtar, goddess who visited and rose from the underworld. Easter yields ‘Enduring Eos’... ‘Enduring Dawn’.’’ Part of this spring festival centered around phallic rites.

Everyone has free will.
 

Seeker47

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Please remember dear friends, the OP was not about keeping the feasts but about the near total silence about the feasts among modern Christian Church.
 

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So, in your estimation, the Kingdom is not an order and standard we walk in by the Spirit, but only received when the Lord returns again?
“grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:2-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel is a promise that is absolutely sure and this is why we walk according to what we will inherit

It’s like we are the children the hiers , but they being the hiers , don’t actually receive the inheritance until the appointed time of the distribution of the inheritance so Peter or telling us to walk forth in it and not be complacent so we receive our inheritance

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31, 34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter is saying this same thing

“envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s saying what Peter was saying

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

( that’s a promise now the instruction )

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: for which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

in the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

But now ye also put off all these;( now we must repent having the promise ahead) anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to choose the kingdom Jesus spoke to us about over the world we world and it’s desires the kingdom is within us by his spirit and promise of the word we received now we’re called to walk in it and we walk by the promise he made to return with eternal glory for believers
 

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In my experience a lot of people who like to talk about things like the feasts are usually in favor of keeping them and believe others should as well. That may not be the case here. Nevertheless, there isn't a "near total silence" about the feasts. There are tons of books out there and all you have to do is turn on TBN and hear about the feasts all the time. If people aren't out there preaching the feasts as an essential part of the gospel it's probably because there are a lot more important things to preach and teach.
 

SpeakTruth101

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In my experience a lot of people who like to talk about things like the feasts are usually in favor of keeping them and believe others should as well. That may not be the case here. Nevertheless, there isn't a "near total silence" about the feasts. There are tons of books out there and all you have to do is turn on TBN and hear about the feasts all the time. If people aren't out there preaching the feasts as an essential part of the gospel it's probably because there are a lot more important things to preach and teach.
Celebrate them or not is not my concern, but evrery single one of them are about Yahshua/Jesus 1st and 2nd coming.
 

Blik

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Celebrate them or not is not my concern, but evrery single one of them are about Yahshua/Jesus 1st and 2nd coming.
We are told over and over to praise the Lord, that we belong to Him, and we are to give God thanks and we are told to feast and celebrate what God has done for us. The feasts are all about the wonderful salvation that God has done for us, they explain just how God has arranged this salvation.

The feasts do not tell us when this will happen, but they do tell us the date of the year they will happen. That was truth of the four plans that have happened, so we can be sure it will be true of the three that the feasts prophecy.
 

SpeakTruth101

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We are told over and over to praise the Lord, that we belong to Him, and we are to give God thanks and we are told to feast and celebrate what God has done for us. The feasts are all about the wonderful salvation that God has done for us, they explain just how God has arranged this salvation.

The feasts do not tell us when this will happen, but they do tell us the date of the year they will happen. That was truth of the four plans that have happened, so we can be sure it will be true of the three that the feasts prophecy.
It is incredible and set times for great joy and great humbling, I cant describe with words the amazment of the realization of His prophecies come true, from times of old to our moddern times His words have been validated and are continually validated, it is beyod comprehension, thank you for your words, they give me strength.

Hosea 12:10, “And I have spoken to the prophets, and have increased visions. And through the prophets I gave parables.”

Isaiah 55:11, "so is My Word that goes forth from My mouth – it does not return to Me empty, but shall do what I please, and shall certainly accomplish what I sent it for."

Isaiah 46:9-10, 9 “Remember the former events of old, for I am Ěl, and there is no one else – Elohim, and there is no one like Me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do,’

Psalms 102:25-27, “You (יהוה) did found the earth of old, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. “They shall perish, but You remain; And all of them grow old like a garment; You change them like a coat, And they are changed. 27 “But You are the same, And Your years have no end.”
 

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And Israel gets kicked to the curb? Impossible.

On the contrary, Israel will certainly be redeemed immediately after the "time of Jacob's trouble" yet future.
Israel has yet to hitch their wagon to this character. But soon. Very soon now.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Zec 11:17
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
Yes they did get kicked to the curb in 70 AD... their temple destroyed and blood poured onto the streets.
 

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Yes they did get kicked to the curb in 70 AD... their temple destroyed and blood poured onto the streets.
well, we can say that was the end of Judaism? God is still saving those with Abraham's blood in their veins.

i don't mean to put you on the spot, sister, but are you a full preterist, or partial?
i'm merely curious. there's no need for you to answer me. :)
 

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One.

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

That has no consequence on if all the Feasts/Moadim are fulfilled already
But if there is only one covenant presently then the old covenant has been fulfilled, correct?

If the old covenant has not been fulfilled then that means God has two covenant people?

If Ezekiel 37 did not begin to be fulfilled until 1948, then the New Covenant did not begin until that time.

Is that really what scripture teaches?
 

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well, we can say that was the end of Judaism? God is still saving those with Abraham's blood in their veins.

i don't mean to put you on the spot, sister, but are you a full preterist, or partial?
i'm merely curious. there's no need for you to answer me. :)
I believe God and He his word and what I read are words like "soon" "quickly" and "this generation" ... meaning the people to whom He was speaking.