Does getting the "Trib" correct help?

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Lamar

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
 

Evmur

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
it will be VERY important when we are going through it. Some people will fall away offended [because they believed they would be raptured]
 

Aaron56

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
Stay in Christ. Volunteer for the hard things. Keep advancing. In the Spirit the Day will not surprise us.
 

Lamar

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it will be VERY important when we are going through it. Some people will fall away offended [because they believed they would be raptured]
If they were not among the raptured, what would they "fall away" to?

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Why would they be "offended"? The tribulation is over and they were not among the chosen.
I believe they would have more important things to worry about then their hurt feelings.
 

ResidentAlien

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I don't know if getting it right is that important; but knowing how to spot what is clearly wrong is of great benefit. If someone's doctrine on the end times is clearly out of whack, what else are they out of whack about? If they're not dogmatic it's usually not a big deal; but when you have a crazy cult leader like David Koresh preaching his twisted interpretations of the seven seals, it becomes a very big deal.
 

DRobinson

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Because it is sin to teach heresy.
What you believe is your business but when you teach others what is not according to Scripture in sin.
 

NightTwister

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
It would appear that "bragging rights" is an advantage for some.
 
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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
But we can control many things…
 

LightOfMyLife

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Because it is sin to teach heresy.
What you believe is your business but when you teach others what is not according to Scripture in sin.
I agree scripture tells us in the latter days some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. Jesus said in Matthew 24 Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;and shall deceive many. I can think of something right now this crazy world saying there is an AI Jesus.
 

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If they were not among the raptured, what would they "fall away" to?

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Why would they be "offended"? The tribulation is over and they were not among the chosen.
I believe they would have more important things to worry about then their hurt feelings.
You simply must distinguish between tribulation which is persecution and God's wrath. We will not face the wrath of God.

The great tribulation is the great persecution.
 

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If they were not among the raptured, what would they "fall away" to?

IOW
Why would they be "offended"? The tribulation is over and they were not among the chosen.
I believe they would have more important things to worry about then their hurt feelings.
I think the biggest risk of the pretrib rapture scenario is that these people will believe the Antichrist is the real Messiah. They are going to fall away from their faith in Jesus and worship Satan; they will be deceived. This is the great apostasy of the end times.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
 

DRobinson

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I think the biggest risk of the pretrib rapture scenario is that these people will believe the Antichrist is the real Messiah. They are going to fall away from their faith in Jesus and worship Satan; they will be deceived. This is the great apostasy of the end times.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
Scripture states a true Saint will not be deceived.
The falling away are those who believe false teachers, rejecting the simple truth revealed in Scripture and that is in full swing today and more so every day.
Very little truth is being taught today.
 

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I think the biggest risk of the pretrib rapture scenario is that these people will believe the Antichrist is the real Messiah. They are going to fall away from their faith in Jesus and worship Satan; they will be deceived. This is the great apostasy of the end times.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
So true…. Satan‘s whole purpose is to deceive, and he is very good at it.
 

montana123

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
I believe the saints will be caught up to Jesus when the 7 years period is over.

That is an advantage because when the pre-7 years resurrection does not happen it will overthrow the faith of many people, and they will follow the new age movement interpretation of christianity, or not believe the Bible at all, but they will have no choice but to follow the new age movement eventually for they will not be able to fight it being deceived by a devil.

Also it does not prepare the saints to be strong, and stop hypocrisy, which many will not make it in the resurrection for their hypocrisy, and Jesus said once He shuts the door you cannot enter meaning they lost out on salvation.

The tribulation is for the last three and one half years, not the whole 7 years, and the first half they want peace so they will probably not bother the Christians at that point, but they cannot teach anything contrary to the new age movement, or it will be a hate crime, but other than that they will probably leave the Christians alone, and salvation is still available to the world during the first three and one half years so the saints will remain on earth, and the world will not be so terrible at wanting to persecute the Christians.

So if it is mid-7 years period the same thing might apply.

But if it is at the end of the 7 years period there is an advantage that more people will be saved for at that point there is no middle ground, but they are either with the antichrist, or a Christian, and they will be strong in the Lord for the world is persecuting them, and they will not want to play around and be a hypocrite at that time.

Pre-7 years, and mid-7 years, will have many people playing around, and being hypocritical especially with OSAS where they think they cannot fall from salvation so they dabble in sin thinking they can never fall, and they could get caught.

But if it is at the end of the 7 years period they will not want to play around but be serious.

It could be that the resurrection is at the end of the 7 years period because God is love, and will not give up on them until they go against the truth by persecuting the saints.

If they do not persecute the saints on a world wide level then they would not go against the truth for God to give up on them, for the saints are representing the truth, and if they are not on earth to be persecuted on a world wide scale then the world did not go against the truth, and they must go against the truth before God ends sin on earth.

That is a good point right there for God will not give up on the world until they give up on Him, so He has to allow them to go against the truth before He gives up on them, but if the saints are not on earth during the last three and one half years of the 7 years period then the world could not go against the truth for God to end sin on earth.

The beast blasphemes against God and His tabernacle, but if the saints were not on earth he would not do that for Christianity would not be represented on earth, so the saints are on earth, which they have to be persecuted to show they are going against the truth before God can put them down, and end sin on earth.

Also the resurrection being at the end of the 7 years period will separate the true Christians from the ones who are hypocritical, but it will also strengthen many hypocrites to stop being hypocritical thus saving them.
 

Lamar

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You simply must distinguish between tribulation which is persecution and God's wrath. We will not face the wrath of God.

The great tribulation is the great persecution.
Okay...but what about the question?

Are you just going to ignore the question?
 

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
Understanding this aspect of Eschatology and getting it correct has many blessings for the believer. If the churches of Jesus Christ have to go through the Tribulation, then there is no blessing and tough times are ahead. However, if this is God's Plan, then so Beit. I don't believe the Scriptures teach that. Additionally, if the Churches of Jesus Christ have to go through the Tribulation, then what is the purpose of the 144,000 witnesses being sealed, mentioned in Revelation?

Many say that the belief in a Rapture and the Pre-Trib. belief, is credited to Darby and Dispensationalism. However, I am a believer in both (Rapture and Pre-Trib.), but do not believe in Dispensationalism and reject Darby's teachings.

The ancient church standing, on this issue, did not believe in either. The stand was traditionally, what is called, Amillennialism. No Rapture, no Pre anything and no Millennial Reign. This was partially due to the hatred of the Jews at the time. Today, this has been furthered into what is called: "Replacement Theology". That is: All of the Old Testament promises to Israel are now given to the Church. A very popular teaching today. However, this does serious damage to those Promises and to God's credibility. After all, If God broke His promises to Israel, then how do we know if He will keep His promises to us?
 

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Are there any practical advantages to correctly understanding the "pre- mid- post" theories on the rapture?
I have never understood the need to expend such energy on something that we cannot control?
Getting salvation correct is the most important thing: saving souls
 

Lamar

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if you had distinguished between what is tribulation and what is God's wrath ... you would not have asked the question.
If you knew the answer you would not avoid the question.

Be honest.