Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Nehemiah6 said:
That is almost exactly what he said: 'Former President Donald Trump plans to negotiate with Democrats on the issue of abortion if reelected in 2024, saying in a Meet the Press interview released on Sunday, “I think they are all going to like me. I think both sides are going to like me.” ... He also declined to say if he believes unborn babies have a constitutional right to life and hit out at 2024 Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for signing a six-week abortion limit, calling the move a “terrible thing”:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-abortion-says-six-week-limit-terrible-thing/

Is six weeks "a terrible thing" if six days is too much for infanticide? Why is Trump attacking DeSantis on this issue? Why is he saying both sides are going to like me when both sides are simply a Uni-Party and there is no opposition to the evil of the Democrats? Why is he not saying that the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is NOT a constitutional right, and then leaving it at that? Why has he dodged making a clear statement that unborn babies have a constitutional right to life? So we now see that Trump will turn out to be a watered down Joe Biden. What a terrible shame. Let's hope Vivek Ramaswamy replaces Trump.
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Well that's not what I heard him say, but I'm willing to wait and see what he means. Nah, Viveks stand on Israel will keep him out. CUFI have millions of members that won't vote for him. Like I said, I want something done on abortion that is able to be put into practice. Not empty promises. Trump got more done on Roe vs Wade than any other president. He has something up his sleeve. Republicans have made empty promises year after year and never got a thing done.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Actually, we'll find out who is smart. A Christian can believe abortion should be outlawed and still get the best deal available under the current circumstances. Wisdom isn't getting nothing at all accomplished. Wisdom is getting all that can be gotten, and continuing to make the case for more.
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That's where Republicans lose time and again. smh
 
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NightTwister said:
"Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?"
This: Former President Donald Trump plans to negotiate with Democrats on the issue of abortion.
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Agreed.

The absolute allegiance to this man by many Christians is baffling.
 
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ZNP said:
oh, I thought wisdom begins with the fear of God and ends with the Judgement seat of Christ and finding your name written in the book of life.
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Thinking one can compromise with evil is the absence of wisdom.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Wisdom takes many forms. You gave a pat biblical answer, but situations require responses. Jesus said well that the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light.
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Anything that you would be ashamed at when you appear before the judgement seat is not wisdom regardless of what it may appear to be.
 
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NightTwister said:
When have Democrats been forced to answer anything? Most recently several Democrats have been asked "how many weeks", and they refuse to answer, and the media lets them not answer.
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I believe the times, they are a changin'. It doesn't matter if the Democrats answer. It only matters that the public sees them not answering. Tyranny still has to be done in the dark here. When it is exposed to the light, more and more people see it. Trump got more votes than any prior sitting President in the last election. People are getting it. It's hard to change the course of a large ship quickly.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Actually, we'll find out who is smart. A Christian can believe abortion should be outlawed and still get the best deal available under the current circumstances. Wisdom isn't getting nothing at all accomplished. Wisdom is getting all that can be gotten, and continuing to make the case for more.
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Trump is not wise, he is a political opportunist, there is a difference.
 
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ZNP said:
Anything that you would be ashamed at when you appear before the judgement seat is not wisdom regardless of what it may appear to be.
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You've said it yourself many times...Trump is a blunt instrument. If the headline had read...Trump gets Democrats to agree to 15 week abortion ban...instead of Trump will negotiate with Democrats...how would you feel? You would rather that hundreds of thousands of babies die and nothing gets accomplished.
It's not a matter of personal belief. It's about being as effective as you can. The goal doesn't change. You continue to try to get a complete ban, but save lives along the way.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Trump is not wise, he is a political opportunist, there is a difference.
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Trump is a blunt instrument. The Jews didn't like God's choice of Cyrus to be their deliverer. I get it. But God has his reasons. You are free to make your own choice.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Trump is not wise, he is a political opportunist, there is a difference.
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Clumsy. Big mouth. Terribly bad timing. Doesn't know the meaning of the word of stealthy. Was dumb enough to get rolled by the Bidenista cartel.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You've said it yourself many times...Trump is a blunt instrument. If the headline had read...Trump gets Democrats to agree to 15 week abortion ban...instead of Trump will negotiate with Democrats...how would you feel? You would rather that hundreds of thousands of babies die and nothing gets accomplished.
It's not a matter of personal belief. It's about being as effective as you can. The goal doesn't change. You continue to try to get a complete ban, but save lives along the way.
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What I have said several times on this subject is already posted here, you don't have to come up with hypotheticals. I have said repeatedly that time will tell what he is doing. I have been referring to him as "Jehu" ever since January of 2021, and what he has just done fits with the pattern of Jehu.

I have also said repeatedly that in an election you get two choices. Abortion is a major issue to me and because of that I will not vote for any of the Democrats who have been running for president.

I have also said I give much more weight to what these candidates do than to what they say, and looking at what Trump has done makes him a very clear winner on this issue.

I do not know what the negotiation would be, what I do know is that there are possible interpretations, Jehu story being one of them. I know that we are told not to judge before the time, which is why I have said repeatedly time will tell, and I know if you are going to really drain the swamp you have to get rid of the RINOs.
 
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ZNP said:
What I have said several times on this subject is already posted here, you don't have to come up with hypotheticals. I have said repeatedly that time will tell what he is doing. I have been referring to him as "Jehu" ever since January of 2021, and what he has just done fits with the pattern of Jehu.

I have also said repeatedly that in an election you get two choices. Abortion is a major issue to me and because of that I will not vote for any of the Democrats who have been running for president.

I have also said I give much more weight to what these candidates do than to what they say, and looking at what Trump has done makes him a very clear winner on this issue.

I do not know what the negotiation would be, what I do know is that there are possible interpretations, Jehu story being one of them. I know that we are told not to judge before the time, which is why I have said repeatedly time will tell, and I know if you are going to really drain the swamp you have to get rid of the RINOs.
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And I'm on record preferring other candidates to Trump. But he's going to be the Republican nominee.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Trump is a blunt instrument. The Jews didn't like God's choice of Cyrus to be their deliverer. I get it. But God has his reasons. You are free to make your own choice.
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Being a blunt instrument is fine, but when he wavers, which he does a lot, especially on cultural/moral issues, it would seem he does not have any firm convictions, nor does he have well thought out positions, neither can he articulate them.

This is a lot style (blunt instrument approach) and very little substance.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You've said it yourself many times...Trump is a blunt instrument. If the headline had read...Trump gets Democrats to agree to 15 week abortion ban...instead of Trump will negotiate with Democrats...how would you feel? You would rather that hundreds of thousands of babies die and nothing gets accomplished.
It's not a matter of personal belief. It's about being as effective as you can. The goal doesn't change. You continue to try to get a complete ban, but save lives along the way.
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Sorry Democrats are not reasonable.
They do not want term limits.
All he is doing is straddling both sides of the fence hoping it will work politically. It won't.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Being a blunt instrument is fine, but when he wavers, which he does a lot, especially on cultural/moral issues, it would seem he does not have any firm convictions, nor does he have well thought out positions, neither can he articulate them.

This is a lot style (blunt instrument approach) and very little substance.
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Did you ever see Schindler's list? Did he waver when he opened a factory to make weapons for the Nazis?

Again, do not judge before the time.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Being a blunt instrument is fine, but when he wavers, which he does a lot, especially on cultural/moral issues, it would seem he does not have any firm convictions, nor does he have well thought out positions, neither can he articulate them.

This is a lot style (blunt instrument approach) and very little substance.
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It's a fair point. We can't be sure of what Trump will do. But we can be sure of what Democrats will do. And since Trump will be the nominee, it's him or more of the same. You may deem these both bad choices, but one is demonstrably better than the other.
 
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