What are his commandments?

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romans113336

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52» Rom 14:20-21 . . Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food.
All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes
someone else to stumble.

The critters that God lists in the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon
with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy as unsuitable
for human consumption aren't intrinsically unsuitable. They're only
designated unsuitable for the Jews because that's how God wants it for a
particular people. But outside the covenant, for everybody else, whatever
you'd like to eat can be eaten; all flora and all fauna; and that dates all the
way back to the Flood. (Gen 9:3)

But still; we wouldn't want to invite someone over for dinner serving foods
that they sincerely believe are wrong for them to eat; and thus lead them to
compromise their own personal convictions about what's right and what's
wrong for Christians. Prepare something else that you both can eat without
feeling guilty. That's the Christian way to go about it; it's also the
sympathetic way to go about it.
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Yes, none other than God, Himself, permitted Noah to eat "unclean" animals by saying "the fear of you will fall on them, and they will be food for you."

Did the fear fall only on clean or also on unclean? Both, plainly.

Also, the Jews have read it that way for thousands of years--ie, that, because of Genesis 9, Gentiles aren't under dietary restrictions Jews are under.
 
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49» Rom 14:13b . . Make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or
obstacle in your brother's way.

The Greek word translated "stumbling block" means a stub. For example:
one year I cut down a troublesome bush in my front yard and left a bit of a
stump sticking up out of the ground that later damaged my lawn mower
when I accidentally ran over it while cutting the grass; which had grown tall
enough to conceal the stump. In that respect, stumbling blocks are hazards
not easily detected.

Within the context of the 14th of Romans, I would equate stumbling blocks
to the clever sophistry that silver-tongued Bible thumpers employ to
persuade people to do things contrary to their convictions and their
conscience. Should you get pulled into a debate with one of those thumpers
you'll be frustrated because no matter how skillfully defended your position,
they will continue to oppose it with one rebuttal after another; so the best
track is: put on your best poker face and decline to argue.
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It would be nice if everyone understood the same way, but not everyone receives the Spirit of Truth. All that we can do is present our truth and let the Holy Spirit take over. That is the job of every believer. Jesus said to go out and preach (teach) all nations and it is by this preaching that people get baptized in the name of the Father (when He grants repentance for sins committed) and in the name of the Son (when the sinner trusts in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins committed), and in the name of the Holy Spirit ( when the person gets perfected by filling his heart with divine love so that the Spirit of the law gets fulfilled). It is through the presentation of scripture that truth is revealed, and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts (not us).
 
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1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So, if we can know we are keeping His commands, and abiding in Him, by the fact that He is giving us His Spirit, clearly, since the Galatians received the Spirit by simple hearing with faith (Gal 3), they were keeping God's Command to "believe on the name of God's Son".

Afterward, "love one another", and Christ adds, "As I loved you"--"love does no harm to his neighbor, therefore, love is the fulfillment of the Law".
Romans 14:5,23 show that each must do what he is fully convinced is correct "as unto the lord", and falling short of this constitutes "sin". The Spirit is "The Spirit of Faith" (Heb), so, to fail to walk in one's Grace-given convictions constitutes sin, because "faith works by love", and our convictions are therefore our loce for others.
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Romans 13:10
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53» Rom 14:22a . . So whatever you personally believe in debatable areas
keep between yourself and God.

The old adage "Let sleeping dogs lie." is certainly apropos in gray-area
beliefs and practices. For example; some folks are comfortable with having a
picture of Jesus in their homes while others think it's stupid. I think it best to
consider that issue a sort of DMZ wherein neither side initiates conflict.
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It would be nice if everyone understood the same way, but not everyone receives the Spirit of Truth. All that we can do is present our truth and let the Holy Spirit take over.
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Excellent! That would certainly put an end to the 'endless' threads of "bashing
others over the head with The Word," eh?

Amen.
 
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These will be more about how to live as believers verses or living verses with maybe some praise verses too.

Jude
20 But you, beloved, keep building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit. 21 Keep yourselves in EL's(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God) love, looking for the mercy of our Adonai Yeshua the Messiah to Eternal Life. 22 On some have compassion, making a distinction, 23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

24 Now to Him Who is able to keep them from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory in great joy, 25 to EL our Savior, Who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.
 
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11 Beloved, don’t imitate that which is evil, but that which is good. He who does good is of EL.
 
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2 John

4 I rejoice greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, even as we have been commanded by the Father. 5 Now I beg you, dear lady, not as though I wrote to you a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we should walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, even as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
 
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1 John 1

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and announce to you, that EL is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in the darkness, we lie and don’t tell the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Yeshua the Messiah His Son, cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we haven’t sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
 
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1 John 2

15 Don’t love the world or the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the Father’s love isn’t in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—isn’t the Father’s, but is the world’s. 17 The world is passing away with its lusts, but he who does EL’s will remains forever.

24 Therefore, as for you, let that remain in you which you heard from the beginning. If that which you heard from the beginning remains in you, you also will remain in the Son, and in the Father. 25 This is the promise which He promised us, the Eternal Life.

28 Now, little children, remain in Him, that when He appears, we may have boldness and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.
 
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1 John 4

7 Beloved, let’s love one another, for love is of EL; and everyone who loves has been born of EL and knows EL. 8 He who doesn’t love doesn’t know EL, for EL is love. 9 By this EL’s love was revealed in us, that EL has sent His only born Son into the world that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved EL, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Beloved, if EL loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen EL at any time. If we love one another, EL remains in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
 
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1 John 4

19 We love Him, because He first loved us. 20 If a man says, “I love EL,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love EL Whom he has not seen? 21 This commandment we have from Him, that he who loves EL should also love his brother.
 
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2 Peter 1

2 Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of EL and of Yeshua our Adonai, 3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and holiness, through the knowledge of Him Who called us by His own glory and virtue, 4 by which He has granted to us His precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust. 5 Yes, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence; and in moral excellence, knowledge; 6 and in knowledge, self-control; and in self-control, perseverance; and in perseverance, holiness; 7 and in holiness, brotherly affection; and in brotherly affection, love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to not be idle or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Adonai Yeshua the Messiah.
 
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2 Peter 1

2 Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of EL and of Yeshua our Adonai, 3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and holiness, through the knowledge of Him Who called us by His own glory and virtue, 4 by which He has granted to us His precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust. 5 Yes, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence; and in moral excellence, knowledge; 6 and in knowledge, self-control; and in self-control, perseverance; and in perseverance, holiness; 7 and in holiness, brotherly affection; and in brotherly affection, love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to not be idle or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Adonai Yeshua the Messiah.
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2 Peter 1:5-8
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One of the best places in the Torah that contains moral commandments is Leviticus 19. Much of that chapter is useful and relevant today.
 
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1 Peter 1

13 Therefore prepare your minds for action. Be sober, and set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Yeshua the Messiah— 14 as children of obedience, not conforming yourselves according to your former lusts as in your ignorance, 15 but just as He Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior, 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
 
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1 Peter 1

17 If you call on Him as Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, pass the time of your living as foreigners here in reverent fear, 18 knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things like silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a Lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Messiah, 20 Who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in this last age for your sake, 21 who through Him are believers in EL(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God), Who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in EL.

22 Seeing you have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth through the Spirit in sincere brotherly affection, love one another from the heart fervently, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the Word of EL,
 
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54» Rom 14:22b. . Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by
what he approves.

The Greek word translated "blessed" means fortunate and/or well off. The
opposite of that would be like deprived and/or missing out on something
worth having.

● Rom 14:23 . . But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats,
because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from
faith is sin.

Where there's doubt; it's possible to be wrong even when you're right
because it's a sin to forge ahead when one's conscience is not sure it's okay
to do so.

I once knew a Christian who felt guilty just setting foot inside a Block Buster
video store. Was he silly for feeling that way? Not in his mind; and it's your
own personal moral compass that counts in gray areas. Some Christians
can't permit themselves to dine in a restaurant that serves alcohol; while
others see nothing wrong with it. If those two kinds of Christians should
perchance dine out together, it's the more sensitive conscience that
determines where to eat.

In other words; it makes good spiritual sense to avoid insisting upon your
freedoms and rights sometimes in order to prevent dragging your fellow
Christians into something that makes them feel guilty and/or uncomfortable.

● Rom 15:1-2 . . We may know that certain things make no difference, but
we cannot just go ahead and do them to please ourselves. We must be
considerate of the doubts and fears of those who believe certain things are
wrong.

Webster's defines "considerate" as thoughtful of the rights and feelings of
others, i.e. deferent, gallant, chivalrous, sensitive, yielding, and diplomatic.
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55» Rom 15:7 . . Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in
order to bring praise to God.

Christians begin as sinners alienated from God.

● 1John 4:10 . .This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and
sent His son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

The thing is: God takes sinners under His wing even when they are as
stubborn and rebellious as conceited adolescents. So then; I think we may
take it that disagreement over matters of conscience-- i.e. gray issues --is
never a valid reason to disown one's fellow believer. This calls for
benevolence, i.e. the graces of tact, diplomacy, and tolerance.
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56» Rom 15:27 . . For if the Gentiles have shared in the Israelite's spiritual
blessings, they owe it to the Israelites to share with them their material
blessings.

Within the context of Rom 15:25-27, the Israelites to whom Paul refers are
not those who believe and practice Judaism; but those who believe Jesus
(a.k.a. Y'shua) is the Messiah.

It is unbecoming for Christians to support religions that undermine Christ;
especially when it's taken into consideration that 1Cor 16:22 requires
Christ's followers to regard the followers of religions opposed to his as
cursed.

NOTE: The Jews' original beliefs and practices were primarily biblical. By the
time of Jesus' day, their religion had become rabbinical, i.e. defined by the
Talmud; which incorporates the Bible but isn't strictly limited to it.
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