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Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....

At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.
As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.

In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200.[20] The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Phlegon (born in AD 80) wrote that Jesus was alive, died, and arose to life after his death.

By no means is this an exhaustive list (just a simple one compiled by a church pastor). There are other “evidences” that Jesus lived, died, and came back to life. My prayer for you is that you accept him as your Savior that died for you. Because it is through faith in Him that you are saved and will spend eternity in heaven with Him.
https://mwtb.org/products/pmt-histo...ection-of-jesus-christ?variant=41248406306996
 

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The truth about Muhammad is in Qur'an

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Update: the truth about Muhammed is being played out in Israel and Gaza right now. Murdering the innocent, rape, destruction, violence and hatred - Islam 101.
 

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The truth about Muhammed is that he's dead.
Jesus lives and is risen.
Christianity is the only faith with a living God.
The Cross will always be a stumbling block to many.
 
Muslims in the west try to give a nice picture for Muhamed, but if you look at his biography you could see he can not be a prophet, but he is only a false prophet, he denied the Crucifixion of Jesus, and also denied that Jesus is son of God.
 
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Update: the truth about Muhammed is being played out in Israel and Gaza right now. Murdering the innocent, rape, destruction, violence and hatred - Islam 101.
An army led by Muhammad killed thousands of innocent people, looted their wealth, and sold their women and children as slaves. Initially, Muhammad fought to protect himself and his religion. However, as his power grew in the city, he began attacking those who posed no threat to him at all in order to impose Islam by force on the entire Arabian Peninsula (Al-Tawbah 9:5, 11-13; Bukhari, Jihad and Expeditions 196.52.4). Muhammad was responsible for the first Islamic massacre in the long bloody history of Islam in 627 AD, the massacre of the Banu Qurayza tribe, the last Jewish tribe in the city, which posed no threat to him. The heads of all the men of the tribe (800-900 men) were cut off with swords (Al-Ahzab 33:26). Muhammad urged his Muslim followers to kill his opponents, praised them, and commended them for committing murder. This led to the assassination of Asma bint Marwan while she was breastfeeding her child in her home, and the assassination of Abu Afak, who was 120 years old, Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf, and Abu Rafi' Salam, among others.
 

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An army led by Muhammad killed thousands of innocent people, looted their wealth, and sold their women and children as slaves. Initially, Muhammad fought to protect himself and his religion. However, as his power grew in the city, he began attacking those who posed no threat to him at all in order to impose Islam by force on the entire Arabian Peninsula (Al-Tawbah 9:5, 11-13; Bukhari, Jihad and Expeditions 196.52.4). Muhammad was responsible for the first Islamic massacre in the long bloody history of Islam in 627 AD, the massacre of the Banu Qurayza tribe, the last Jewish tribe in the city, which posed no threat to him. The heads of all the men of the tribe (800-900 men) were cut off with swords (Al-Ahzab 33:26). Muhammad urged his Muslim followers to kill his opponents, praised them, and commended them for committing murder. This led to the assassination of Asma bint Marwan while she was breastfeeding her child in her home, and the assassination of Abu Afak, who was 120 years old, Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf, and Abu Rafi' Salam, among others.
And Muslims call that monstrosity the "ideal man".
 
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Update: the truth about Muhammed is being played out in Israel and Gaza right now. Murdering the innocent, rape, destruction, violence and hatred - Islam 101.
I think you'll find they're Talmudists, not Muslims. So perhaps, Talmudism 101. Both evil religions, though.
 

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I think you'll find they're Talmudists, not Muslims. So perhaps, Talmudism 101. Both evil religions, though.
Hamas is not Talmudist. It is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Talmud is Jewish, not Muslim.
 
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Hamas is not Talmudist. It is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Talmud is Jewish, not Muslim.
Those committing warcrimes in Gaza are largely of the Babylonian Talmudist religion, not Judaism. The Babylonian religious adherents try to hide under the banner of Judaism, when it's a completely different religion. As is evidenced by Jesus' criticism of the Pharisees in the New Testament.
 

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Those committing warcrimes in Gaza are largely of the Babylonian Talmudist religion, not Judaism. The Babylonian religious adherents try to hide under the banner of Judaism, when it's a completely different religion. As is evidenced by Jesus' criticism of the Pharisees in the New Testament.
Don't give me that garbage. Hamas is the group committing war crimes. Israel has the right to defend itself. I don't know of any other nation that would tolerate the kind of attack that Hamas launched. Israel's mistake was to allow Hamas to build their tunnels (paid for by the stupid Western nations who did not bother to require an accounting of where the aid went) and build up their military. If you prune a plant, it will grow stronger. Israel should have pulled the Hamas tree out by the roots before it got so strong.

You do know that the leaders of Hamas are living in Qatar? They are filthy rich while the Gazans live in poverty.
 
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Don't give me that garbage. Hamas is the group committing war crimes. Israel has the right to defend itself.
It shouldn't need to be said, but attacking civilians is not defense.
 

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It shouldn't need to be said, but attacking civilians is not defense.
America and Britain bombed Germany into oblivion in WW2. Russia is attacking civilians in Ukraine right now. The allies did not warn German cities that they were about to be bombed. Russia for sure does not forewarn Ukranians. The IDF warns Gazans that their buildings are to be bombed. This is unheard of in any war. If someone parks their car on a rail crossing, it's not the train's fault if it gets hit. The boom gates are down and the lights flash to warn of an oncoming train. If Gazans refuse to leave, it is not the IDF's responsibility.

Casualty figures are given by Hamas. This is the organisation that says no Israeli civilians were targeted when they attacked Israel. They lie their heads off while using hospitals, schools and even a scout hall to launch missiles at Israel. Israel is not attacking civilians. If they are in harm's way, it the responsibility of Hamas. And I am still waiting for one of you ignorant, anti Israel bleeding hearts to offer a better way of ridding the world of Hamas and their ilk.
 
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America and Britain bombed Germany into oblivion in WW2.
War crimes in some cases, particularly Dresden.

Russia is attacking civilians in Ukraine right now.
War crime, if true.
The allies did not warn German cities that they were about to be bombed. Russia for sure does not forewarn Ukranians.
I think the Allies might have, but I'm not sure. But I am reasonably certain that Russia isn't any standard to measure by. Are you going to next say that the state of Israel is better than China, because at least it doesn't harvest the organs of its murder victims? Oh, whoops, it does that too.

The IDF warns Gazans that their buildings are to be bombed. This is unheard of in any war.
Actually, it's not. Dropping pamphlets was kinda the done thing, as if to absolve states about to commit war crimes of their guilt once committed. Life doesn't work like that, unfortunately for genocidal tyrants and their lapdog soldiers. Else terrorists would be able to say "We warned you that we were gonna attack if you didn't listen to us, and so we did", and then be exonerated.

If someone parks their car on a rail crossing, it's not the train's fault if it gets hit. The boom gates are down and the lights flash to warn of an oncoming train. If Gazans refuse to leave, it is not the IDF's responsibility.
You're missing the bit in your analogy about the owners of the train line building a rail crossing at someone's house overnight. If someone built a rail crossing at your house overnight without your consent, gave you a 24-hour notice to vacate in the morning, and then next day when the train hit, told you that it was your fault for not heeding their warning message, I'm sure you'd be a little bit cross?

Casualty figures are given by Hamas. This is the organisation that says no Israeli civilians were targeted when they attacked Israel. They lie their heads off while using hospitals, schools and even a scout hall to launch missiles at Israel. Israel is not attacking civilians. If they are in harm's way, it the responsibility of Hamas. And I am still waiting for one of you ignorant, anti Israel bleeding hearts to offer a better way of ridding the world of Hamas and their ilk.
Ridding the world of Hamas is easy. Hold the people who created it and funded it to account, including Israelis, and then punish them with capital punishment and confiscation of their ill-gotten gains. Only no one did that decades ago when the state of Israel created Hamas, and now we're paying the cost today. The solution is the same, but innocent people are going to die because of criminals that didn't get justice many years ago. That's a sad fact of life, but not a fact that justifies more of the same crime.

If we don't give these criminals justice, many more people are going to die in future. War crimes and crimes against humanity must be punished. Anything else is promoting lawlessness and justifying crimes such as terrorism.
 

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War crimes in some cases, particularly Dresden.

War crime, if true.
I think the Allies might have, but I'm not sure. But I am reasonably certain that Russia isn't any standard to measure by. Are you going to next say that the state of Israel is better than China, because at least it doesn't harvest the organs of its murder victims? Oh, whoops, it does that too.

Actually, it's not. Dropping pamphlets was kinda the done thing, as if to absolve states about to commit war crimes of their guilt once committed. Life doesn't work like that, unfortunately for genocidal tyrants and their lapdog soldiers. Else terrorists would be able to say "We warned you that we were gonna attack if you didn't listen to us, and so we did", and then be exonerated.

You're missing the bit in your analogy about the owners of the train line building a rail crossing at someone's house overnight. If someone built a rail crossing at your house overnight without your consent, gave you a 24-hour notice to vacate in the morning, and then next day when the train hit, told you that it was your fault for not heeding their warning message, I'm sure you'd be a little bit cross?

Ridding the world of Hamas is easy. Hold the people who created it and funded it to account, including Israelis, and then punish them with capital punishment and confiscation of their ill-gotten gains. Only no one did that decades ago when the state of Israel created Hamas, and now we're paying the cost today. The solution is the same, but innocent people are going to die because of criminals that didn't get justice many years ago. That's a sad fact of life, but not a fact that justifies more of the same crime.

If we don't give these criminals justice, many more people are going to die in future. War crimes and crimes against humanity must be punished. Anything else is promoting lawlessness and justifying crimes such as terrorism.
When you have a workable solution to the problem, let me know. So far, no one has come close. The status quo is changing right now. Israel is not guilty of war crimes. Even the leftist, woke anti Israel BBC has reported that Israel warns people that they will be bombed. And no, the allies did not warn Germany which target was to be attacked. Germany was well defended and bombing raids were dangerous enough.

Many countries harvest organs. Australia has a program that people can sign up for. It's not a crime. It has saved a lot of lives.

It is really simple. If Hamas had stayed their side of the border and not fired missiles at Israel, Gaza would not be suffering now. I do not know why that is so hard to understand.
 

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When you have a workable solution to the problem, let me know. So far, no one has come close. The status quo is changing right now. Israel is not guilty of war crimes. Even the leftist, woke anti Israel BBC has reported that Israel warns people that they will be bombed. And no, the allies did not warn Germany which target was to be attacked. Germany was well defended and bombing raids were dangerous enough.

Many countries harvest organs. Australia has a program that people can sign up for. It's not a crime. It has saved a lot of lives.

It is really simple. If Hamas had stayed their side of the border and not fired missiles at Israel, Gaza would not be suffering now. I do not know why that is so hard to understand.

Over in the discussion about the war thread I post a few Bible verses and one talked about dividing the land. Every single president that has tried to broker peace in the ME has failed. Everyone has in some manner wanted to have some form of a two state solution. I personally believe there is no solution because God promised the land to the Jews. There will not be peace until Christ returns.
 

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The title caught my attention.



Dad was a boxer in the Army and did very good. He was the first to teach me to fight, but said that he would only do it if I promise him to never compete. He said, look at what happened to Cassius Clay , as an example.
I said, Who are you Talkin about Dad?
Do you mean Muhammad Ali?🤔🤭😄
This /\ interview was before he took many hits to the head.

I know that Dad trusted Jesus as the Way to Heaven, the Truth and had the Life 2 months before he died.
I hope that Muhammad Ali made that decision too before it was too late.