Israel Declares War

Before... there was a big Zionist push for an Israeli nation in the 1920's (before to, just not well structured - but they did get the Balfour Declaration). Anyway it grew in the 30's, and boomed at the conclusion of WWII.

The neighbors are not all hateful, that is untrue, and the tensions in the area are tied to larger geopolitical issues.

The neighbors are not all hateful, that is untrue, and the tensions in the area are tied to larger geopolitical issues.

There is no nation called Palistine. So who's land was taken?

The Palestine Mandate of 1922 that went into effect in 1923 gave a portion of the land to Israel and in 1948 the UN voted to allow the Jews to move to Israel and form a nation.

Mostly untrue, not 100%. Lebanon is a neighbor, Syria is a neighbor, and Jordan is a neighbor. All three of these countries have supported and/or housed terrorists as well as had terrorist actions perpetrated from their land on Israel.

Those are written into Islam's so-called "holy" books.

The Palestine Mandate of 1922 that went into effect in 1923 gave a portion of the land to Israel and in 1948 the UN voted to allow the Jews to move to Israel and form a nation.

Yeah and Britain made false assurances along the way to both sides so let's not make it so cut and dry.

I think that idea is misguided. Like it or not, Hadrian coined the term and named the region Palestine... as a snub... but he did have authority to do that. The Ottomans (Turks) kinda' let it live on... and they ruled the region from around the 14th century.

My point is that it is not cut and dry and showing statistics from 2008 is misleading as there was a whole lot of history that is relevant from 1923 on.

Okay... how much land did each allow for?

I should add to this... the Ottoman Empire was defeated in WWI by Britain mostly... but they got help by the local Arabs with the promise to give them land/nation for their help.
Then Britain changed their mind and went for building Israel instead... after they defeated the Ottomans.

Earlier than that... see post #730.

It was a two state solution, but from 1948 on their have been terrorist attacks from each other trying to drive each other from the land. Meanwhile there has been a worldwide emigration to Israel of Jews from around the world and they outnumber Palestinians 4:1 to it is unreasonable to assume they should have the same amount of land. Israel has also turned many areas that were uninhabited into a garden (Negev Desert) so there is that as well.

They did seize the Golan Heights but that was after Syria tried to wipe them out using the heights to shoot down on them from. They seized this not just for self defence but because 30% of their watershed is based on control of those heights and to protect their water supply they need that. National boundaries are supposed to make sense, giving an enemy that tried to wipe you out control of your water supply does not make sense.

You should also add that Turkey is aligned with Israel's enemies because they would like to have control of Israel again.

As far as I am concerned you can go back to King David and Goliath.

I couldn't disagree with any of this, even if I wanted to... which I don't.

But can you, for a moment, try to think of the Palestinian perspective?

They were promised a nation for helping in the overthrow of the Ottomans.
They were denied the promise in favor of growing sentiment for a nation for Israel... prompted in large part to "Darbyism".
Further treated poorly by Zionists to the point that they battled both Zionists and the British.
Further mistreated when Israel defied the UN's plan by taking more land than was allocated by force, and forcibly removing the Palestinians.

And ever since 1948 Israel continues to take more land... most through winning battles against it... and they've pushed the Palestinians into the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza.

That is quite vague as he did a verse by verse exegesis of the Bible.