Understanding Genesis 1:1

So, a Universe is being created via the "Time Space Continuum" and you do nit understand before there was light there was darkness? OK. TBH, I think this is over you guys heads.

In the beginning God created one heaven and one earth. Then we have an overthrow of heaven and earth from Satan's fall. God then proceeds to created the heaven and earth as we know now, with the first heaven, the dwelling place of man. And the second heaven, the dwelling place of the sun, moon, and stars. When God created the heaven and earth in verse 1, there was originally no atmosphere. The third heaven already existed.

If you superimpose the word God in this analogy and said, "in the kitchen God made (created) the table and chairs", this would imply that God made or created the table and chairs inside of, or within the kitchen, meaning that the kitchen was already there, and he simply made the items within it.

When you get to heaven and figure out you were wrong. then think bout those you might have could have had an open door to reach with the gospel, with facts, not silly stuff, and how many sous were lost to lies then maybe it will hit you why its always important to understand the facts. These things are easy for me compared to understanding Prophecy they are a cake walk. I had a discussion with another guy once and had to explain to him why the "English KJV" is not the be all end all, we have to go back to the ROOT WORDS in order to understand the bible, there is NO EXCUSE we have computers that make that easy. Below is my post that blows away your "THEORY" that the word used means DAY.


Hello Mike allow me to first show what I mean as per how the word is used in various ways, the we can go from there.


#3117 יוֹם yowm {yome}

from an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; TWOT - 852; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) AS A DIVISION OF TIME
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) TIME, PERIOD (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; a day (as the WARM HOURS), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a SPACE OF TIME defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + ALWAYS, + CHRONICLES, CONTINUALLY (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X FULL, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X REQUIRED, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

#3117.
יוֹם
yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1), continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13), yesterday*(1).
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries

AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + H1697 37, daily 32, ever 17,
year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8
always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2274

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Only God existed prior to creation.

Your analogy is incorrect. "if you superimpose the word God in this analogy", the analogy should read:



this would align with many verses in Scripture:

Deuteronomy 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Acts 17:24-27 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us

Colossians 1:15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by [Greek en = in] him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by [Greek dia = through] him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by [Greek en = in] him all things consist.
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What creation is Gen1 discussing? It's talking about the creation of the heaven and earth, not the universe. Verse 1, as I asserted, implies that there was a beginning which preceded the creation discussed in Gen 1. Yes God only existed before everything, but Gen 1 is not discussing the creation of everything.

What creation is Gen1 discussing? It's talking about the creation of the heaven and earth, not the universe.

Genesis 1:1 is talking about the universe. Genesis 1:1 is speaking of the whole of all God created ... which is understood only by faith:

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

the meaning of so that things which are seen are not made of things which do appear is that the physical universe was not made out of pre-existing materials.





only God preceded the beginning.



Genesis 1 verse 1 is discussing the creation of everything.

Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 speaks of everything God set in order to support life on earth.

Genesis 2:4 speaks of the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created ...
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Is it?

I think I understand your analogy @DJT_47 .

Before our Universe (with its Tables and chairs) was created, there existed a 'Kitchen'.

This would make sense if said Kitchen was the Highest Heaven that has always existed before the Universe began.

That would then make the newly created Universe (Tables and Chairs) the other two Heavens.

If we keep going with this analogy, we discover that the King James translation is the correct one...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Notice that the word 'Heaven' is *singular*, meaning that only *one* of the Three Heavens has been created so far.

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

The phrase 'without form' implies something that is two-dimensional. A 'void' would be a complete vacuum.

Thus, the Universe started out as a two-dimensional 'plane'. Said 2D Plane is the 'Deep' and 'Face of the Waters'...

Strong's Hebrew: 8415. תְּהוֹם (tehom) -- deep, sea, abyss (biblehub.com)

Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- waters, water (biblehub.com)

In M-Theory, that Plane is called a 'WorldSheet'...

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God then created our three-dimensional Universe by dividing the WorldSheet and creating a WorldVolume...

Genesis 1:6-8
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Thus, on the Second Day, the Second Heaven was created. The Third Heaven was created on the Third Day.

Actually, I'm suggesting that the words may imply that something existed and was already created prior to that which is described in Gen 1:1; heaven and earth.

Possibly the universe had already been created and Gen 1:1 and after, is really relating to just the earth and its surroundings.

Also, the KJV does have flaws, a sigificant and very misleading one is in Gen 1:16 wherein it suggests that the stars were made in that time frame, and added, not translated, the words "HE MADE the stars also".

If you look at the interlinear and you read and understand clearly the context of Day four as relates to the moon, you understand that the moon, with it's grandeur, it's brightness, size, and presence, was to rule over the night INCLUDING having dominance over the stars. The interlinear infers these words were added and is much clearer. This is also consistent with the context of Day 4 as further confirmed by verse 18. If you take out the words "he made", then it (verse 16) is clear. AND "the stars also", meaning rule over or have dominance over them at night.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And just one more point relating to the 3rd heaven. The 3rd heaven is paradise, so it must be above that which we know and can see.

2 Cor 12:2-4

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

If God created our Universe, then naturally God exists outside of it.

Would the area outside of our Universe not be the Highest Heaven?

Earth was completed on the Third Day...

Genesis 1:10
"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

Again, the phrase 'without form' in Genesis 1:2 means just that. It describes something that is two-dimensional. The Third Dimension did not even exist at that point.

Void is a complete vacuum.

You are assuming that God, a Spirit, requires some form of 'space' in which to live.

Earth's surface was adjusted allowing hard ground to appear where there was formerly only water, but the Earth had been created "in the beginning. God continued modifying the surface by creating plants, and later by flooding the entire surface again.

The words that follow, "and darkness was on the face of the deep" refute your thesis entirely. "Face" indicates two dimensions, and "deep" indicates the third.

You're inserting specific definitions of words into contexts where they don't fit.

You are assuming that God, a Spirit, requires some form of 'space' in which to live.


Earth's surface was adjusted allowing hard ground to appear where there was formerly only water, but the Earth had been created "in the beginning. God continued modifying the surface by creating plants, and later by flooding the entire surface again.


The words that follow, "and darkness was on the face of the deep" refute your thesis entirely. "Face" indicates two dimensions, and "deep" indicates the third.


You're inserting specific definitions of words into contexts where they don't fit.

Where do you think God dwells? Nowhere?

Once again, 'without form' means exactly that. Earth was without form. A globe or sphere is a form. A blob of water is a form.

How could Earth exist if the Firmament of Space had not even been created yet? Outer space, i.e., the Universe, was created here...

Genesis 1:6
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Therefore, you are in error.

You do not understand what the word 'Deep' means.

Strong's Hebrew: 8415. תְּהוֹם (tehom) -- deep, sea, abyss (biblehub.com)

"confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, vain, vanity, waste"

One definition is the grave. The word 'deep' can imply something that has no bottom to it. In other words, it is 'bottomless' in the sense that it has infinite potential yet to be realized.

Look at what Wikipedia has to say about that word...

"Tehom is a Biblical Hebrew word meaning "the deep". It is used to describe the primeval ocean..."

Tehom - Wikipedia

What is the 'Primeval Ocean'?

"Found in many cultures and civilizations, the cosmic ocean exists before the creation of the earth."

"From the primordial waters the earth and the entire cosmos arose. The cosmic ocean represents or embodies chaos."

Cosmic ocean - Wikipedia

I even included a bit of M-Theory for those intelligent enough to understand how the theory agrees with Genesis. It is up to you folks to do your homework and grasp how 'deep' the profoundness of God's Word can go.

That would be you doing that by 'dumbing down' the Word of God to fit your limited understanding.

Personally, I think it is quite beautiful that Genesis agrees with the most cutting-edge Science out there.

EVERYTHING physical has a "form".

The First YOWM (time period) lasted 9.2 billion years.