The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

Clearly you are against Christ !

It accomplished we being dead to sins !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now who are the We here that is dead to sin/s ? And what does it mean to be dead to sins ? Well the answer to the first question, The WE belongs to Believers in Jesus Christ, but also it belongs to all for whom Christ, in His Own Body and Self bare their sins !

Thats absolutely right, for it was solely in the fact that He bare their sins in His own self and Body that resulted in them all being dead to sins !

Now exactly what does it mean to be dead to sins ? It means that they are dead to the condemnation that their sins bring. Sin brings condemnation Rom 5:18a

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The word condemnation, the greek word katakrima:

punishment following condemnation, penal servitude, penalty.

"the results of judgment") – properly, the exact sentence of condemnation handed down after due process (establishing guilt).

All for whom Christ died are dead to all the condemnation and penalty of their sins !

The reason being, His Death for them, and in their stead, took on all the punishment, condemnation their Transgressions deserved for sinning against God's Law, His Justice has been forever satisfied in their behalf ! This is the Truth so much so, that even as enemies and unbelievers, they have been reconciled to God by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Notice how Paul tell believers such as his self, that they were reconciled to God when ? When we were enemies, or to say unbelievers ! Thats because they were made by His death, dead to sins ! 39

Here’s how you must interpret 1 John 2. If verses 2 is talking only of the world of the elect, then so too you must interpret the rest of that phrase in the same manner.😂

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world of the elect.

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15 Love not the world of the elect, neither the things that are in the world of the elect. If any man love the world of the elect, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world of the elect, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world of the elect.
17 And the world of the elect passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Greetings. . .

Jesus Christ shed His blood and bore those stripes while going through the agony of the cross so that you and I could be justified by believing in Him and repenting of our sins. The only righteousness we possess is the righteousness of Jesus Christ. He is our Advocate; Jesus paid an awesome price to accomplish this.

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

- 1 Peter 2:25

Post 1902 do you understand it ?

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All men means all men. Are all men under condemnation? Yes. Did the gift come to all men? Yes, especially those that believe.

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

Come out from under the RCC Calvin's doctrine unto biblical Christianity.

You in error.

It accomplished we being dead to sins ! 2

Now because Christ bare our sins in His own self and body, the sins we commit in adam, and from our own natural births , they have no power to condemn us before God's Law and Justice, all transgressions of theirs has been taken away, removed from before God's Law and Justice Ps 103:12

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Now the purpose of being dead to sins, is so that by New and Spiritual Life granted by Divine quickening from spiritual death, is so we may live unto Righteousness 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that[hina purpose clause] we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

To Live unto Righteousness means to Live by Faith. The word live zao means:

to live, experience God's gift of life. That Gift of Life is New Birth,

It also means:

to live, be among the living, be alive (not lifeless, not dead):

See God cannot be the God of the dead, but of the Living Remember these words Matt 22:32

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

So hear this, the consequence of being dead to our sins by the Death of Christ, and not having sins charged to us, which death is the wages of Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Then our death must be reversed, its been eliminated, or abolished for us by the Death of Christ, so death in all of its phases, spiritual, eternal, and natural must be reversed into Life, We must be made alive , to begin with Spiritually, this life must be granted us in the way of Justice, and by it we live unto Righteousness ! 39

Christ has already died their second death ! 2

1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Now inclusive in the phrase of Truth, Christ died for our sins, is the second death, in the lake of fire ! Remember John wrote Rev 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This is that Eternal Retribution of Wrath for sins Eph 5:5-7

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

If you notice whoremonger and idolator are also listed in Rev 21:8 as those who go into the second death !

Now, those Christ died for, He has already for them endured God's second death for their sins. The Second Death and Eternal Punishment which should have been their lot with the children of disobedience, has already been done for them, in Christ's dying for their sins. Christ in a short while equivalently suffered all the wrath God's Elect deserved for an eternity, so think how extremely intensified His Pain and Suffering was ? It would have been unbearable lest He was also an Infinite Being, God Man ! It would be Unjust now for any for whom Christ died to be in the number of those who go into the second death ! Because their Surety has already endured it for them, to the Praise of God's Eternal Justice ! I'm indebted to Tobias Crisp in his Book " Christ Exalted " Pg 379-80 for some of these thoughts !

Christ had a end in bearing our sins !


Christ had a end in bearing our sins ! Christ's Death had a purpose to effect, it was not that He should die for sins, then set back and see what happens of it.

It is written that He bare the sin of many Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Isa 53:11-12

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors

And it was to this end, that they be made Holy Eph 5:25-26

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave[or offered as in Heb 9:28] himself for it;

26 That Hina Purpose he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

The word sanctify hagiazo means:

I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

[37 (hagiázō) means "to make holy, consecrate, sanctify; to dedicate, separate" (Abbott-Smith).]

This purpose must be a result of Christ giving of Himself for those He died for, or of those whose sins He bare Heb 9:28;Isa 53:11-12 and if not, a main element for the purpose of His death for them has been aborted, a miscarry, which is Blasphemous to even surmise ! 39

... nope ... according to 1 John 2:2 the Lord Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world:

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation [Greek = hilasmos] for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

"for ours only" = the sins of those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

"the sins of the whole world" = the sins of those who do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those who find themselves facing "the second death, in the lake of fire !" are the ones who rejected the Propitiator ... and because they rejected Him, they are judged according to their works ...

Revelation 20:

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

brightfame52 said:

If you notice whoremonger and idolator are also listed in Rev 21:8 as those who go into the second death !

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read the verse again, brightfame52, and notice the key attribute of the "whoremonger and idolator"

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is the unbelievers who face the second death ... they rejected the Propitiator ... the One Who was sent to propitiate the sins of the whole world:


Propitiation – Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (bold / red mine):

brightfame52 said:

I'm indebted to Tobias Crisp in his Book " Christ Exalted " Pg 379-80 for some of these thoughts !

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... if you would READ YOUR BIBLE!!! ... maybe, just maybe, you would be indebted to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as it is He Who has propitiated the sins of the whole world.
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Ransomed out of unbelief !

Many today dont realize [because they are spiritually blinded] that unbelief/disobedience is part of God's Justice for sin; hence Paul writes God has concluded [in Justice] all in unbelief/disobedience , for the purpose of having mercy upon them all Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all

32 God has ·given [imprisoned] all people ·over to their stubborn ways [L to/in disobedience] so that he can show mercy to all.EXB

The word concluded does mean to consign, shut up, or to imprison, so by nature all men , including the Elect, are imprisoned by God into unbelief/disobedience !

The all in Rom 11:32 are all the Vessels of Mercy, like as in Rom 9:23

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

God imprisoned the Vessels of Mercy into unbelief so that He can demonstrate upon them His Mercy !

Now Christ came to give His Life a ransom for many Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Now the word ransom lutron means:

the purchasing money for manumitting slaves, a ransom, the price of ransoming; especially the sacrifice by which expiation is effected, an offering of expiation.

literally, the ransom-money (price) to free a slave. 3083 (lýtron) is used in the NT of the ultimate "liberty-price" – the blood of Christ which purchases (ransoms) believers, freeing them from all slavery (bondage) to sin.

The word above manumitting for slaves means:

To free from slavery or bondage; emancipate.

Now what all this means is all for whom Christ gave His life a ransom for, must be released from all servitude and slavery, imprisonment of sin and unbelief, disobedience.

Yes this means the ransom must experience a liberation from the Justice of unbelief/disobedience, because Christ's Life blood was the ransom payment that satisfied God's Law and Justice, so in Justice God authorizes and performs their release, this as a visible token indicating that Christ's Blood truly indeed was a sufficient payment for their release ! It was the Blood of the Covenant Zech 9:11

11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

God would be Unjust to the ransom blood of Christ, if any for whom He gave His Life a ransom for die in their sins in unbelief Like these Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Thats because they , if Christ died for them, should have been ransomed out of unbelief ! 40

Its obvious you dont believe in the saving effectiveness of Christs death, since you believe He died for all individuals and yet some of the same go to hell for their sins anyway, whereas His death is limited to them He died for and effectually fulfilled the Purpose intended as Per Eph 5:25-27

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Here is the inheritance of the wicked in contrast to the inheritance of the overcomers:

Revelation 21:8 (KJV)—But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So all the "wicked" will be consumed, burned up in the lake of fire; they will perish. This is the second death.

. . . Christ died for the UNGODLY (only elect ungodly?) . . . -- Rom. 5:6
. . . while we were yet SINNERS (elect sinners?), Christ died for us . . . -- Rom. 5:8
. . . when we were ENEMIES (elected?), we were reconciled to God . . . -- Rom. 5:10
. . . so death passed upon ALL men, for that ALL have sinned . . . --Rom. 5:12
. . . of one judgment came upon ALL men to condemnation . . . -- Rom. 5:18
. . . the free gift came upon ALL men unto justification of life. -- Rom. 5:18
. . . And if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me. -- John 12:32.
. . . I exhort . . . prayers . . . be made for ALL men . . . -- 1 Tim. 2:1
. . . Who will have ALL men to be saved . . . -- 1 Tim. 2:4
. . . Who gave himself a ransom for ALL . . . -- 1 Tim. 2:6
. . . grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men . . . -- Titus 2:11
. . . who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe. –1 Tim. 4:10

From George Williams Believer's Bible Commentary


The point of the verse is God's mercy upon all mankind and the magnitude of God's wisdom is revealed in the verse following verse 32:

Romans 11:32-33 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

brightfame52 said:

The all in Rom 11:32 are all the Vessels of Mercy, like as in Rom 9:23

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... conflating what is written in Romans 11 with what is written in Romans 9 is not proper interpretation of Scripture.

Here is the conclusion of what is written in Romans 9:

Romans 9:30-33

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

vs 30 – gentiles have attained to righteousness which is of faith.

vs 31-32 – Israel has not attained to righteousness because they sought it not by faith and, therefore, stumbled at the Stumblingstone.

vs 33 – whosoever believeth on the Stumblingstone shall not be ashamed (disappointed).


Here is the conclusion of what is written in Romans 11:

Romans 11:

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

vs 32 – reveals God's mercy upon all mankind.

vs 33 – the wisdom and knowledge of God are beyond the scope of the comprehension of mankind.

vs 34-35 – rhetorical statements as no one can know the mind of the Lord ... we can only know what He reveals to us concerning His thoughts. No one advised God ... no one can out-give God for God recompences over and above anything we give.

vs 36 – all things are of Him, and through Him, and to Him and He alone is worthy of all glory for ever.

brightfame52 said:

Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Now the word ransom lutron means:

the purchasing money for manumitting slaves, a ransom, the price of ransoming; especially the sacrifice by which expiation is effected, an offering of expiation.

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From Vine's Expository Dictionary:

... He "gave Himself a ransom for all," indicating that the "ransom" was provisionally universal, while being of a vicarious character. Thus the three passages consistently show that while the provision was universal, for Christ died for all men, yet it is actual for those only who accept God's conditions, and who are described in the Gospel statements as "the many."​

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