How can one learn?

After all, in the past it has been clear that your wish is to remove me from this sight, and nothing more.

How about you ignore my posts instead of making contentious replies. That would be kind. Thanks

And Love is a good one word summation of the Law. Sure much more could be said and has been but the ultimate answer was/is Love. In fact Love is what's lacking in what is going on in the world and that is why things have become so violent and evil. The love of many has waxed cold because of all the wickedness in the world at this time. If people were living in love for one another there would be no need for law.

I came so close to posting something that I may have regretted later down the road. The following is a revised version of that post.
I came to this forum seeking answers. I found out so much about today's religion that explains a lot.
First I found that it seems we have a following of church doctrine over the True Word. As has been made clear in almost every thread I opened. As if your church doctrine holds more truth.
Second, it seems that being a true follower of the True Word, must be shunned at all cost.
The True Word is clear on this, and the words made me ask. Do I truly know? Or am I following what tickles the ear? 2Tim. 4:3-4
Not an exact quote mind you. However it does convey the same idea, and understanding.
As not many people on here has the spirit of worrier as the Word is clear we are called to be, or has the fortitude to even try, I feel for you all. You will be in my prayers in hopes that HaShem, or Yahovah will find a way to lead you to truth. His Truth.
Yeshua when he called out the Pharisees may well have been speaking to religious leaders of today. Again not an exact quote. What he said not an easy thing to swallow.
He called the sons of Satan, hypocrites, teaching man's doctrine as if it was HaShems own. Mat.15:7-9
What so many on here wish to do is push away any that see things in a different light. Wishing to persent themselves as knowing more than they really do. Yet when pressed on a topic, they say they know so well, can't or won't even try to make the other see how they are wrong. It's kind of like telling some one they were speeding, when they were doing 35 in a 40mile an hour zone. You say it, yet when asked your only reply is, Because I said so. Ok not in those words, yet by not engaging on a topic you brought forth, you may as well say it that way.
So now I ask you, if you wish to be the teacher you are in your own mind, why hide from it?
Rather than turn to name calling, belittlement, or be dismissive, why not engage? It gives you the chance to teach, and learn. Yet on here it as though the one that stands a lone prevails simply by asking how your teaching is in context with the Whole of the Word. As for myself, I welcome any challenge to my understanding. As it opens the door to seeing how I may be wrong. That in turns makes me a better teacher, and student.
What it doesn't do is show how right I am. You see once we take on the thinking of ME, MY CHURCH, and so on, we leave the True Word behind in favor of my thoughts, my church, and so on.
As true followers, we should have a hunger to learn, and a thirst for truth. Though for many the quest for understanding stops at the door of their church. They don't study the word, and many don't read it at all. Oh they have it with them, and may even open it when the pastor gives a passage. Then they just blindly follow what ever is told to them.
Once more, in closing, I came here to learn more than I think I know. I came to seek truth. Something that is not forthcoming in a place that one would think it should be. If one follows what the Word truly says, they are called names, belittled, and so on. Yet nothing of substance is ever offered up.
I have seen people say they know the Word, and have mesmerized most of the Bible, or N.T. That's all good, if you have a true understanding of it. Yet is made pointless if you know it, and don't follow it. So will someone please explain to me, why do say you hold more understanding, yet are so unwilling to debate most topics, when you see something wrong with a teaching or understanding?

As I have said to you before, the law remains to condemn those not
covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ...

It's interesting that you chose that particular verse. This is a good example of why one should read an entire passage and not pull out a singular verse.
In verse 5 the Apostle speaks of the motions of sin. What is that? That is our fallen nature which is prone to sin. It lies dormant within us; that is, until we learn of sin (before the commandment). But when the commandment comes, or is made known to us, our sinful nature is stirred and we desire to do that which has become known to us.
In the case of Paul, it was covetousness. Notice what happened. He was alive without the law, but dead when the law entered in. That's how the law is the power of sin. And that's why it is only in the Spirit that we will not sin. The law is no longer there to revive sin in us. This is what it means to no longer be under the law. And this is why it is so important.

Nobody seems to be posting the definition God's Word gives of what Love is...

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

your word games are simply invalid.
scripture is very clear: in Christ the believer has died so far as the law is concerned and is in no way whatsoever under it.
you can reject that all you want but it remains true. it is the gospel by which we are saved.
only unbelievers are under the Law, and the law condemns them.

nope.

How did Cain know murder was sin?

The Law didn't exist till thousands of years later

Hmm it is amazing is it not what we can know from someone just reading text. I will put my self out there. There have been countless times when I think about someone or they are infront of me and I will just know things about them. But its always for the good something to always help. It just happens I have no control but.. its like this info coming in and its always good helpful. Praying one on one and they ask for help He might show me something. I say this because again you got allot of information about others from just text. Those that have read my post will tell you.. what I typed so many times is not exactly lol what I wanted to say.

If you walked to the 12/120 they would have asked you "who are you? Who knows you? How long have you walked in what you teach/preach" Then all would go pray. I think many are asking these questions. Bless you..

Your right you did say that. My bad, please except my apology

Let me explan that with one passage.

Rom 5:13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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Not at all m8

we want to help you come to a more full knowledge of the truth.

like your OP topic - how will we learn?
we think you need to accept that the Christian isn't under the Law of the Sinai covenant. the Bible is not unclear on this.
It's very hard to move forward until you get to this point.

Your right you did say that. My bad, please except my apology

Let me explan that with one passage.

Rom 5:13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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As you wish. However that has been shown in a way that has stood up as of yet. At lest not when placed in context with the whole of scripture. Oh and I am still waiting for you to use just Mat. 5:17-18 to show that. Remember I have been asking you to explain thouse passages, by using JUST THEM for some time now.

I don't understand your point.

I don't understand your point.

And I have no clue how I ended up the reply to you, and to Magenta in the same post. I think you may be as confused as me. If you read just the one posted to you, I think it may clear it up on your end. However I am still going to confused as to how that happened. LOL

Well slap me silly. Ok now I think I get it. Well as to what you don't understand anyway. The point being that when in it's context, does it not all fit together? Yes it does. The motion of of both the Law and sin work together. For us to know sin, we must know the law. As the passage I used in reply shows. Sin was in the world, yet we simply didn't know it was sin. Then we were given the law, and it showed us our sin. The Law has no power to create sin, not can force one into sin. All it has the power to do is show us our sin.

What I fin sad, is that I was asked to give my understanding of mat.5:17-18 and then I would get the same from the one that asked. Yet all I got was crickets. Is that action of a person that believes honesty, and walking as Yeshua walked? ya I didn't think so either. Then I knew going in that this is how it would be. You demain I deliver, I ask and nothing. A real shame.

The double post wasn't a problem. I went through

That's not correct. What he is teaching is that because we have fallen natures, the knowledge of sin works in our members (flesh) the desire to sin. He then gives an example from his own life. So as long as on focuses on the law, the desire to sin will eventually lead us into sin. In the Spirit the focus will be on heavenly things. That's why we are to set our hearts and minds on things above. It's the whole point of Philippians 4:8 and 2 Corinthians 10:5.

Matthew 5:17-18 is easy if you understand the book of Revelation. The reason you can't get a straight answer is because it messes up so many people's eschatology. First, the law was fulfilled. Otherwise, Jesus would not have been resurrected. Second, there is a new heaven and a new earth...Revelation 21:1. And v.2 the new Jerusalem came down from heaven...as a bride. That's the church. Both criteria have been met and that's why we are not under the law.
I recognize that few have this understanding. Most people today argue when the rapture will be, and the simple imagery and simple explanation are not in vogue. People want to make the Bible about themselves rather than applicable to the people it was actually written to. And you may or may not accept this explanation. But it's the only one consistent with all of scripture.

In my own life I find that to be the exact opposite of how this work. Once I was made aware of how my understand, (it was as you are saying now), was flowed, I became a lot more aware of my sin. It pushed to over come them, not submit to them. That is what the Law is meant to do. It has in my life changed so much of how I think, act, and interact. Oh don't get me wrong, I can say now that I am not perfect, and sin does enter at times. that is why I rejoice in the sacrifice HaShem gave us. You see, when I see sin at work in my life, shown to me by the Law, and the Spirit doing it's part of coarse, I can find forgiveness.
Don't misunderstand me, total forgiveness was offered from the start. Oh sure Adam and Eve were punished, however they were not killed. Just as a parent punishes their children, yet also forgives them, HaShem as our father does the same. Does this mean the child is now free of ever doing wrong again? Nope, trust me on that. I raised 2 kids, and helped with many others, they seem to always find a way to get into trouble. Just like Israel has in the past, and to some extent still does. We as believers do the same. When we lean on our own understanding, rather than turn to HaShem, we seem to always get it wrong. Please note I said WE.