The Trinity.

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WHY, you refuse what the Catholic Historians added?

You act like the Catholic Encyclopedia is lying to you.

they are the ONES who did this and proudly documented it and you Refuse.

they Created the J. Comma, ADMIT to it, and you're like not buying it.

you're in denial.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Greek manuscript or the external evidence is not all the proof my friend, sure Vaticanus and the Sinaticus are 4th ce RCC manuscripts and earlier than the extant TR's but I believe that the Greek earlier copies have been ommited because the Vaticanus itself has dotted lines called umlauts which means to say there is a variant reading. Perhaps this is an interesting read for the Umlaut.

https://www.linguistsoftware.com/Payne2000NovT-Vaticanus_umlauts_1Cor14_34-35.pdf
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tell me something:

did the Apostle John write in GREEK or LATIN?

he wrote in GREEK.

so, the ONLY thing that matters is where is this J. Comma in the Original Greek.

SHOW ME the GREEK that John wrote this J. Comma?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
WHY, you refuse what the Catholic Historians added?

You act like the Catholic Encyclopedia is lying to you.

they are the ONES who did this and proudly documented it and you Refuse.

they Created the J. Comma, ADMIT to it, and you're like not buying it.

you're in denial.
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Hi ,

It's you who posted it first of the Catholic reference, I didn't. You hate RCC in many of your posts yet you are the one relying on the Catholic mss. I asked for the link to your 2nd/3rd century Greek, would you mind if you link me to that? and let's see if you are telling us the facts.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Hi ,

It's you who posted it first of the Catholic reference, I didn't. You hate RCC in many of your posts yet you are the one relying on the Catholic mss. I asked for the link to your 2nd/3rd century Greek, would you mind if you link me to that? and let's see if you are telling us the facts.
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tell me something:

did the Apostle John write in GREEK or LATIN?

he wrote in GREEK.

so, the ONLY thing that matters is where is this J. Comma in the Original Greek.

SHOW ME the GREEK that John wrote this J. Comma?
 
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fredoheaven said:
Hi ,

It's you who posted it first of the Catholic reference, I didn't. You hate RCC in many of your posts yet you are the one relying on the Catholic mss. I asked for the link to your 2nd/3rd century Greek, would you mind if you link me to that? and let's see if you are telling us the facts.
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Are YOU Catholic?
 
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now it all makes sense, if you are.
i do not hate the Catholic People and Members at all.
I am actually HONORING THEM by using their IMMACULATE Historical Documentation and Record Keeping.
I give them CREDIT for being so transparent and not hiding the fact some RCC Members did this and they have Kept Records of it and all things done.
Not many ever want to ADMIT to their PAST BAD THINGS, but they are OPEN about it.
to me, that is Honorable.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
tell me something:

did the Apostle John write in GREEK or LATIN?

he wrote in GREEK.

so, the ONLY thing that matters is where is this J. Comma in the Original Greek.

SHOW ME THE GREEK that John wrote this J. Comma?
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I think you miss it, not even you or any hundreds or thousands of scholars can show us the original writings of Apostle John my friend. This is basic to both critical and conservative scholars' view. We no longer have the originals.:)
 
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fredoheaven said:
I think you miss it, not even you or any hundreds or thousands of scholars can show us the original writings of Apostle John my friend. This is basic to both critical and conservative scholars' view. We no longer have the originals.:)
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i want the Greek Copy, the one the Catholic Church says NEVER Existed, but you say does, for you to show me this Greek Text.

who is CORRECT...YOU or the Catholic Church?

if YOU are, then show me this Greek Text, the Catholic Church says NEVER EXISTED.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i want the Greek Copy, the one the Catholic Church says NEVER Existed, but you say does, for you to show me this Greek Text.

who is CORRECT...YOU or the Catholic Church?

if YOU are, then show me this Greek Text, the Catholic Church says NEVER EXISTED.
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Seems to me you are the one defending the Catholic church (Roman). Not a good argument. But thank you for many of your posts. Try to consider some of them. Nice meeting. Good night!
 
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fredoheaven said:
Seems to me you are the one defending the Catholic church (Roman). Not a good argument. But thank you for many of your posts. Try to consider some of them. Nice meeting. Good night!
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YOU SAID IT EXISTS, BUT NOW, YOU CANNOT PRODUCE WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE FACT?


i want the Greek Copy, the one the Catholic Church says NEVER Existed, but you say does, for you to show me this Greek Text.

who is CORRECT...YOU or the Catholic Church?

if YOU are, then show me this Greek Text, the Catholic Church says NEVER EXISTED.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
if the Catholics copied/translated the Greek, then that Greek is on file. [they archive EVERYTHING]

show it to me.

not the LATIN Translation, but the GREEK, they translated from?

if you cannot produce that, then it's ANOTHER RCC LIE!
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Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Trinity?

So you’ve come to the conclusion that there’s no Trinity? Just trying to understand what you’re saying.
 
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selahsays said:
Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Trinity?

So you’ve come to the conclusion that there’s no Trinity? Just trying to understand what you’re saying.
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i never said that and explained, this is only a debate about the facts.
the fact is, the J. Comma, never existed or came from God, but the Father-Son-Holy Spirit is still 100% FACT!
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Total nonsense. So are you another one of these Anti-Trinitarians who have recently shown up here?
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I'm a Johnny-come-lately and I don't find any convincing evidence for it in the Bible. I find loads of evidence to the contrary, but I wouldn't call myself anti anything.

I'm more like Pro-Scriptura.
 
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