The Security Of The Believer

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Anger is a sin. I believe it.

When I get angry. I do not repent. I already believed it was a sin.

I confess it..

let not mix repentance and confession, they are two different things
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This still doesn't explain why a Godly sorrow leads men to repentance. Both are present even if you don't believe their relationship is causal. It is not a spurious relationship.
 
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Cameron143 said:
This still doesn't explain why a Godly sorrow leads men to repentance. Both are present even if you don't believe their relationship is causal. It is not a spurious relationship.
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Because when God reveals to me my sin, and my status against him (I am dead because of my sin) , If I respond positive and BELIEVE what God says, It should lead me to sorrow.

this sorry SHOULD lead to repentance.

which in fact SHOULD lead me to faith.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I don't know that not trusting people is a sin. Not trusting God would be.

So, all I saw was anger.
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If God sends a person to me to help me, and I do not trust them.

I am in sin.

again, You need to learn what sin is.. You seem to not understand what sin is at all..
 
Cameron143

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Because when God reveals to me my sin, and my status against him (I am dead because of my sin) , If I respond positive and BELIEVE what God says, It should lead me to sorrow.

this sorry SHOULD lead to repentance.

which in fact SHOULD lead me to faith.
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I'm a bit confused. Do you believe a Godly sorrow only attends salvation? Or is it a recurring event?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm a bit confused. Do you believe a Godly sorrow only attends salvation? Or is it a recurring event?
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Are we not saddened after we are saved when we struggle with things?

Peter had Godly sorrow. Judas did not.

what was the difference?
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Everlasting-Grace said:
wish the same to you

again, Why do you people always do this? Is it because you can;t use any other form?? are you trying to convince yourself?
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Do what?

Reveal the holes in the LAW you have chosen to OBEY?

Why wouldn't we do that?

We're trying to actually help you.

Imagine that...
 
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God is the same yesterday today and forever.

Yesterday [Old Testament] God Commanded to
1. Turn Away from Sin
2. Return back to God

But somehow, Today [New Testament] man defines this Same God that never changes by
1. Go ahead and Sin
2. You never left God

Completely butt backwards.
 
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Either God doesn't Change or He is a Liar!

Or, man is the Liar, by interpreting God's Holy Word in a way so he can Sin.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I attached a file giving several Old Testament Verses. They all say TURN AWAY FROM SIN AND RETURN BACK TO GOD.

Pretty much same definition in the New Testament as well.
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lol.. Turn away 180 degree

Israel was told to turn away from sin and back to god because god saved them

thats different than us, who turned away from death and turned to God.
 
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Cameron143 said:
The action of God.
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I think it is more than that

peter never denied god in his heart. He sinned out of fear. And he had sorrow that he could not trust God enough.. Even more. God did not condemn him for it. In fact. peter never even confessed it. Jesus healed him by asking him three times, peter do you love me (actually in the greek, it says more than that the english is a poor defenition)

Judas was never saved, and never believed in God. Was sorry, because he knew Jesus was a righteous man all the less. And the people lied to him.. he di not have godly sorrow. He had human sorrow..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
God is the same yesterday today and forever.

Yesterday [Old Testament] God Commanded to
1. Turn Away from Sin
2. Return back to God

But somehow, Today [New Testament] man defines this Same God that never changes by
1. Go ahead and Sin
2. You never left God

Completely butt backwards.
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God did not save all israel. But he did save them as a nation..he told the nation to turn back

your trying to take what God said to a nation of people. And relate it to induvidual people.

thats what happens when you attempt to use the word to fit your belief, and not fit your belief to the word.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Either God doesn't Change or He is a Liar!

Or, man is the Liar, by interpreting God's Holy Word in a way so he can Sin.
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do you still sin?

A legalist excuses his sin,

a person saved ny grace does not excuse their sin. They come boldly to the throne of Grace.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I think it is more than that

peter never denied god in his heart. He sinned out of fear. And he had sorrow that he could not trust God enough.. Even more. God did not condemn him for it. In fact. peter never even confessed it. Jesus healed him by asking him three times, peter do you love me (actually in the greek, it says more than that the english is a poor defenition)

Judas was never saved, and never believed in God. Was sorry, because he knew Jesus was a righteous man all the less. And the people lied to him.. he di not have godly sorrow. He had human sorrow..
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I don't disagree with your assessment of the two. My point is that implicit in a Godly sorrow is the activity of God.
 
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