Daniel 9 Already Fulfilled

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Yahshua

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Can someone start a thread on this? I never heard of this thinking till I came to CC.
So there have been multiple threads debating this view, but I just wanted to share the reasons why many of us believe the prophecies of Daniel 9 have already been fulfilled.

For background and context, I take a Historicist view of eschatology which is the traditional view of the protestant reformers before the counter-reformation offered up the two opposing views of preterism and futurism (with futurism being the current view held by many modern Christians).

A quick and dirty summary of each:

- Preterism = All endtime prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD. The Messiah is currently ruling on His throne.

- Historicism = Endtime prophecies are fulfilled progressively throughout human history, proving that God steers human events.

- Futurism = All endtime prophecies will be fulfilled in the future after a gap period called the church age.


So, generally speaking...

- Preterists take the position that the Messiah currently is ruling the world from His throne in heaven.

- Historicists take the position that we have been in the end times for the last 2k years; everything happening is laid out by God's end-time prophecies.

- Futurists take the position that after the church is raptured away, the clock will continue and the end times will begin.


As I mentioned, the traditional view of eschatology by the protestant reformers was Historicism and their argument was that the Almighty is sovereign, and proof of His sovereignty is knowing exactly what will happen from beginning to end. There is no scenario where He doesn't know, so any prophecy He shares - especially prophecy that principally involves time - will be a complete timeline of events.

For example, The Almighty gave King Nebuchadnezzar this dream in Daniel 2:

neb.jpg

Everyone agrees that this was a visual representation of a timeline the Almighty gave to King Neb, starting with Babylon and ending with The Messiah's kingdom. So, it's a complete timeline of human history, with each section representing a world-ruling kingdom until the toes are smashed by the stone from heaven (Messiah).

- Babylon
- Medo-Persia
- Macedonia // Greece
- Rome
- 10 Smaller Mixed Kingdoms
- Messiah's Kingdom

And per the magnificence of the Almighty's imagery, even the characteristics we see from the statue were representative of the kingdoms that rule:

1) Gold was the economy of Babylon

2) There were two arms folded. Medo-Persia was a partnership of two kingdoms, and silver was their economy.

3) With Greece, humanity literally entered into the bronze age

4) The time of Rome was known as the Iron Age...and there were even two legs of the empire: The Byzantine Empire and the Western Roman Empire. Also, notice that this section is the longest section of the statue. And in fulfillment, The Roman Empire experienced by far the longest run.

5) Next, humanity reaches the ten toes which are a mix of clay and iron. Meanwhile, revelation speaks of ten smaller kingdoms prophesied to emerge in the end times. So if we follow the pattern that The Almighty has given, then the ten smaller kingdoms will have characteristics of the Roman Empire and characteristics of "Clay" (the original Hebrew word used was "Arab"). The ten smaller kingdoms will be mixtures of Roman and Arabic influences (Algebra or "Al' jabr ", the basis of math, being one example). Also, the prophecy says the iron/clay mixture never completely combines, meaning that the people of the ten kingdoms will never truly be unified.

NOTE: At no point was this statue described to break until the toes were smashed by the heavenly stone, representing an unbroken timeline of human history as we go from one kingdom age to the next until Messiah.

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Now, as history will show, both preterism and futurism views were developed by the Catholic Church to counter historicism. The reason why historicism was countered was because the reformers began identifying the Catholic Church as The Great Harlot and the Papacy as the Beast of the Sea. So, during the counter-reformation, two newer views of eschatology began to spread. This brings us to Daniel 9.


Daniel 9

The preterist view holds that all of Daniel 9:24-27 (i.e., The 70 Weeks prophecy) was fulfilled in 70 AD, while the futurist view holds that only 69 weeks have been fulfilled followed by our current pause/break of an indetermate amount of time (never once mentioned to happen by The Almighty or Messiah or any angel), with the 70th week beginning the time of Great Tribulation after the break. If we were to lay out these views using King Neb's statue to represent the timeline each view would look like this:


Preterism - "Humanity is currently in the post-stone period called the kingdom of God, where Messiah rules from heaven."

neb(pret).jpg


Futurism - "Humanity is currently in a gap period called the Church Age, and will be raptured away before the end times begin."
neb(fut).jpg


Meanwhile, historicists believe that all 70 weeks were fulfilled in 70 AD, leading to the destruction of Jerusalem and the scattering of the people, (both of which are the "desolations" prophesied in Daniel 9:27), and that the land would be devoid of the people who are supposed to be there until the return of the Messiah when He establishes His eternal kingdom on earth. Historicists also believe that the Great Tribulation equates to the time in human history when the nations of the world collectively hated and persecuted the Jews as "murderers of Christ", spanning 1,260 years and directly involving the Papacy.

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I think this is a good enough intro. Let me know if you have any questions.

Blessings.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I think this is a good enough intro. Let me know if you have any questions.

Blessings.
did you realize daniels vision of the 4 beasts adds to the understanding ?

“These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:17-25, 27‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Adstar

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-Futurists take the position that after the church is raptured away, the clock will continue and the end times will begin.
I consider myself in the futurist camp but i do not believe the church will be raptured away and the clock will continue and the end times will begin..

I believe in a post tribulation rapture..
 

Melach

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So there have been multiple threads debating this view, but I just wanted to share the reasons why many of us believe the prophecies of Daniel 9 have already been fulfilled.

For background and context, I take a Historicist view of eschatology which is the traditional view of the protestant reformers before the counter-reformation offered up the two opposing views of preterism and futurism (with futurism being the current view held by many modern Christians).

A quick and dirty summary of each:

- Preterism = All endtime prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD. The Messiah is currently ruling on His throne.

- Historicism = Endtime prophecies are fulfilled progressively throughout human history, proving that God steers human events.

- Futurism = All endtime prophecies will be fulfilled in the future after a gap period called the church age.


So, generally speaking...

- Preterists take the position that the Messiah currently is ruling the world from His throne in heaven.

- Historicists take the position that we have been in the end times for the last 2k years; everything happening is laid out by God's end-time prophecies.

- Futurists take the position that after the church is raptured away, the clock will continue and the end times will begin.


As I mentioned, the traditional view of eschatology by the protestant reformers was Historicism and their argument was that the Almighty is sovereign, and proof of His sovereignty is knowing exactly what will happen from beginning to end. There is no scenario where He doesn't know, so any prophecy He shares - especially prophecy that principally involves time - will be a complete timeline of events.

For example, The Almighty gave King Nebuchadnezzar this dream in Daniel 2:

View attachment 258545

Everyone agrees that this was a visual representation of a timeline the Almighty gave to King Neb, starting with Babylon and ending with The Messiah's kingdom. So, it's a complete timeline of human history, with each section representing a world-ruling kingdom until the toes are smashed by the stone from heaven (Messiah).

- Babylon
- Medo-Persia
- Macedonia // Greece
- Rome
- 10 Smaller Mixed Kingdoms
- Messiah's Kingdom

And per the magnificence of the Almighty's imagery, even the characteristics we see from the statue were representative of the kingdoms that rule:

1) Gold was the economy of Babylon

2) There were two arms folded. Medo-Persia was a partnership of two kingdoms, and silver was their economy.

3) With Greece, humanity literally entered into the bronze age

4) The time of Rome was known as the Iron Age...and there were even two legs of the empire: The Byzantine Empire and the Western Roman Empire. Also, notice that this section is the longest section of the statue. And in fulfillment, The Roman Empire experienced by far the longest run.

5) Next, humanity reaches the ten toes which are a mix of clay and iron. Meanwhile, revelation speaks of ten smaller kingdoms prophesied to emerge in the end times. So if we follow the pattern that The Almighty has given, then the ten smaller kingdoms will have characteristics of the Roman Empire and characteristics of "Clay" (the original Hebrew word used was "Arab"). The ten smaller kingdoms will be mixtures of Roman and Arabic influences (Algebra or "Al' jabr ", the basis of math, being one example). Also, the prophecy says the iron/clay mixture never completely combines, meaning that the people of the ten kingdoms will never truly be unified.

NOTE: At no point was this statue described to break until the toes were smashed by the heavenly stone, representing an unbroken timeline of human history as we go from one kingdom age to the next until Messiah.

----

Now, as history will show, both preterism and futurism views were developed by the Catholic Church to counter historicism. The reason why historicism was countered was because the reformers began identifying the Catholic Church as The Great Harlot and the Papacy as the Beast of the Sea. So, during the counter-reformation, two newer views of eschatology began to spread. This brings us to Daniel 9.


Daniel 9

The preterist view holds that all of Daniel 9:24-27 (i.e., The 70 Weeks prophecy) was fulfilled in 70 AD, while the futurist view holds that only 69 weeks have been fulfilled followed by our current pause/break of an indetermate amount of time (never once mentioned to happen by The Almighty or Messiah or any angel), with the 70th week beginning the time of Great Tribulation after the break. If we were to lay out these views using King Neb's statue to represent the timeline each view would look like this:


Preterism - "Humanity is currently in the post-stone period called the kingdom of God, where Messiah rules from heaven."

View attachment 258551


Futurism - "Humanity is currently in a gap period called the Church Age, and will be raptured away before the end times begin."
View attachment 258549


Meanwhile, historicists believe that all 70 weeks were fulfilled in 70 AD, leading to the destruction of Jerusalem and the scattering of the people, (both of which are the "desolations" prophesied in Daniel 9:27), and that the land would be devoid of the people who are supposed to be there until the return of the Messiah when He establishes His eternal kingdom on earth. Historicists also believe that the Great Tribulation equates to the time in human history when the nations of the world collectively hated and persecuted the Jews as "murderers of Christ", spanning 1,260 years and directly involving the Papacy.

----

I think this is a good enough intro. Let me know if you have any questions.

Blessings.
question: what about matthew 24:15. how is this fulfilled in historicism.?
 

selahsays

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I consider myself in the futurist camp but i do not believe the church will be raptured away and the clock will continue and the end times will begin..

I believe in a post tribulation rapture..
Amen… me too.
 

Yahshua

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did you realize daniels vision of the 4 beasts adds to the understanding ?

“These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:17-25, 27‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Indeed, Pilgrimshope! But I didn't want anyone drinking from a firehose during the intro post. My goal for this thread was simply to explain the Historicist's position since it was foreign to ThereRoseALamb. If you would like to add your understanding of the passage you shared by all means, I only ask that you first share your eschatological leanings for context (preterist, historicist, futurist) but only if you're comfortable with doing so.

OR...

If you want me to share my understanding of this passage just let me know.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Indeed, Pilgrimshope! But I didn't want anyone drinking from a firehose during the intro post. My goal for this thread was simply to explain the Historicist's position since it was foreign to ThereRoseALamb. If you would like to add your understanding of the passage you shared by all means, I only ask that you first share your eschatological leanings for context (preterist, historicist, futurist) but only if you're comfortable with doing so.

OR...

If you want me to share my understanding of this passage just let me know.
Oh I didn’t mean to disrupt the flow or anything brother I’ll just read along
 

Nehemiah6

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I think this is a good enough intro. Let me know if you have any questions.
The only question I have is this "How in the world could the prophecy of Daniel 9 be ALREADY FULFILLED when everlasting righteousness" does not exist on earth at this time (only a lot of evil and wickedness)?

Do you see the absurdity of making such a claim when NONE of the conditions stated in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled?

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
[1] to finish the transgression,
[2] and to make an end of sins,
[3] and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
[4] and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
[5]and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
[6] and to anoint the most Holy.

What we are seeing at the present all around the world is the EXACT OPPOSITE. We are seeing Satan's minions preparing the world for the reign of the Antichrist. So evil and wickedness are on the increase. But God says in Daniel 9:24 that all of this will be gone and EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS will be established on earth after the Second Coming of Christ.
 

Cameron143

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The only question I have is this "How in the world could the prophecy of Daniel 9 be ALREADY FULFILLED when everlasting righteousness" does not exist on earth at this time (only a lot of evil and wickedness)?

Do you see the absurdity of making such a claim when NONE of the conditions stated in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled?

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
[1] to finish the transgression,
[2] and to make an end of sins,
[3] and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
[4] and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
[5]and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
[6] and to anoint the most Holy.

What we are seeing at the present all around the world is the EXACT OPPOSITE. We are seeing Satan's minions preparing the world for the reign of the Antichrist. So evil and wickedness are on the increase. But God says in Daniel 9:24 that all of this will be gone and EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS will be established on earth after the Second Coming of Christ.
The cross brought everlasting righteousness to men. It doesn't say you will experience nothing but everlasting righteousness. It merely says it will be brought in. And so it has.
 

Aaron56

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The cross brought everlasting righteousness to men. It doesn't say you will experience nothing but everlasting righteousness. It merely says it will be brought in. And so it has.
Yeah, like “peace on earth, goodwill toward men” announced by the angel.
 

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the futurist view holds that only 69 weeks have been fulfilled followed by our current pause/break of an indetermate amount of time (never once mentioned to happen by The Almighty or Messiah or any angel
I applaud your decision to post this subject, I know that it can cause conflict, but I hope that we all can discuss in the Unity of the Spirit.
I'm trying to learn more about eschatology, but people tend to get too worked up and I don't like conflict that much.

Anyway, I picked out this portion of the OP because I have never gotten a comprehensive answer from "futurists" on how they come to the conclusion that there's a 2000+year gap between week 69 and 70? I can't find any Scripture that supports that idea?

I welcome any plausible response... not argument though, please.
 

Nehemiah6

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The cross brought everlasting righteousness to men.
Which comment means that you DON'T HAVE A CLUE about what is in Daniel 9:24.

The cross and the resurrection OFFER SALVATION to humanity. But the majority of humanity at this point are not saved. So how can "everlasting righteousness" be attributed to the unsaved, the ungodly, and the wicked?

Do you even know what Daniel 9:24 is expressing? Do you even know the prophecies which relate to that verse? Here is just one example (Isaiah 9:6,7):
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Has any of this happened on earth ALREADY? Total and ETERNAL peace on earth? Total and ETERNAL justice on earth? Total and ETERNAL righteousness on earth? And is that not what Daniel 9:24 is all about?
 

Cameron143

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Which comment means that you DON'T HAVE A CLUE about what is in Daniel 9:24.

The cross and the resurrection OFFER SALVATION to humanity. But the majority of humanity at this point are not saved. So how can "everlasting righteousness" be attributed to the unsaved, the ungodly, and the wicked?

Do you even know what Daniel 9:24 is expressing? Do you even know the prophecies which relate to that verse? Here is just one example (Isaiah 9:6,7):
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Has any of this happened on earth ALREADY? Total and ETERNAL peace on earth? Total and ETERNAL justice on earth? Total and ETERNAL righteousness on earth? And is that not what Daniel 9:24 is all about?
You have conflated a number of ideas and construed scripture to mean what it doesn't say. I shared the plain meaning of the scripture.
 

Nehemiah6

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Anyway, I picked out this portion of the OP because I have never gotten a comprehensive answer from "futurists" on how they come to the conclusion that there's a 2000+year gap between week 69 and 70? I can't find any Scripture that supports that idea?
Here's another poster who wants TEXTBOOK ANSWERS. You want the Bible to state: "There will be over 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel".
Well that is not how God presents His truths. He expects those who are taught by the Holy Spirit to "connect the dots" and use spiritual discernment.

Yet here is a clue to the reason for the gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.

ACTS 1: THE CHURCH AGE AND THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL COMES FIRST
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The apostles knew that Messiah must establish His everlasting Kingdom on earth (Daniel 7), which would include the redemption and RESTORATION of Israel (numerous passages). They imagined that it would happen right then, but did not see that Christ wanted the Gospel to be preached in all the world and to every creature starting on the day of Pentecost (soon after His ascension).

God wanted to provide humanity with sufficient time so that none would perish and all would come to repentance. So now we are in the Church Age, the Age of Grace, the period meant for the salvation of souls. But following the Church Age, there will be the Resurrection/Rapture, then the reign of the Antichrist, then the seven year Tribulation period (the 70th week), then the Second Coming of Christ. And only then would the 70th week of Daniel be fulfilled.

Was the Lord going to explain all this in detail at that time? No. Because He anticipated the completion of the Bible and a fuller explanation of all these things. So He asked the apostles to focus on the Gospel. And now we can connect the dots.
 

Nehemiah6

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You have conflated a number of ideas and construed scripture to mean what it doesn't say. I shared the plain meaning of the scripture.
My only response to this silliness is HAHAHA:ROFL:
 

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My only response to this silliness is HAHAHA:ROFL:
We'll see if that will be your only response. But there are going to be many surprised at the simplicity of scripture once you understand what God is actually teaching.
 

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Here's another poster who wants TEXTBOOK ANSWERS. You want the Bible to state: "There will be over 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel".
Well that is not how God presents His truths. He expects those who are taught by the Holy Spirit to "connect the dots" and use spiritual discernment.

Yet here is a clue to the reason for the gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.

ACTS 1: THE CHURCH AGE AND THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL COMES FIRST
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The apostles knew that Messiah must establish His everlasting Kingdom on earth (Daniel 7), which would include the redemption and RESTORATION of Israel (numerous passages). They imagined that it would happen right then, but did not see that Christ wanted the Gospel to be preached in all the world and to every creature starting on the day of Pentecost (soon after His ascension).

God wanted to provide humanity with sufficient time so that none would perish and all would come to repentance. So now we are in the Church Age, the Age of Grace, the period meant for the salvation of souls. But following the Church Age, there will be the Resurrection/Rapture, then the reign of the Antichrist, then the seven year Tribulation period (the 70th week), then the Second Coming of Christ. And only then would the 70th week of Daniel be fulfilled.

Was the Lord going to explain all this in detail at that time? No. Because He anticipated the completion of the Bible and a fuller explanation of all these things. So He asked the apostles to focus on the Gospel. And now we can connect the dots.

It seems that this makes you angry... the insults indicate that anyway.
Thank you for trying to explain, but I'll wait for someone with a more moderate approach.
 

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It seems that this makes you angry... the insults indicate that anyway.
Thank you for trying to explain, but I'll wait for someone with a more moderate approach.
The pre-trib rapture POV is largely based upon a severely incorrect interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 with other parts of scripture wrapped around it.
 

Yahshua

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I consider myself in the futurist camp but i do not believe the church will be raptured away and the clock will continue and the end times will begin..

I believe in a post tribulation rapture..
So you'll find that the historicist's position will agree with many things from the other camps, but then disagree on other topics (obviously). What you've shared is one we agree on: Yes I believe the Messiah returns for His people after a time of great tribulation...only, historicists believe that the time of Great Tribulation isn't 7 years but was time spanning within these last ~2k years or so.

Note: I'm not saying tribulation was the total ~2k years after Messiah ascended, but am saying it was a timeframe within these last approximate 2k years, marked by persecution of Jews, and eventually of Gentile believers who were equally persecuted for their "protest" of the Roman Catholic church at the time.

The time of tribulation then became "great" when the Papacy rose to world-ruling power and it lasted 1,260 years until the Papacy ended...and if it wasn't cut short for the sake of those of Israel elected to survive there'd be no flesh left.

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Messiah said first His disciples' would experience tribulation before seeing the Abomination of Desolation...and then "a time of GREAT tribulation" would ramp up for the Jews as a whole after the AOD...and finally, the nations would experience their own time of tribulation and perplexity (which I believe we're currently experiencing), just before the "sign of the Son of Man".