Sunday Worship?

Boy, we could have 40 pages of fun with this one........

If we were sinless we would immediately disappear and be raptured and not even have time to finish the sente

That...............Was Hilario

Every day is worship day.

"Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:6 & &

"For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves." Hebrews 10:1

I've said this a number of times. Why not live in the Light instead of the shadows?

All well and good if you are Jewish and not a believer.

Acts 15:19 & 20
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood.

There is nothing about the sabbath there. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them in these matters.

The ritual of circumcision was given to Abraham, predating the Law. Yet Paul strenuously objected to physical circumcision as an essential to salvation. You seem to forget that the sabbath was made for man. Not God. Not religious conformity. And it applies to Israel, not to the Gentile Christians.

Do you follow all the Jewish festivals? How about Jubilee? Good luck getting anyone to agree with that.

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and following him is not just for Jewish believers, but also for Gentiles.

Either Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required for a mature Gentile believer or it does not, so it is contradictory to treat is as being a non-exhaustive list by saying that there are obviously other commands that Gentiles should follow like the greatest two commandments while also treating it as being an exhaustive list to try limit how much Gentiles should follow Christ. Moreover, in Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus said that all of the Law and the Prophets hangs on the greatest two commandments, so if you think that Gentiles should obey the greatest two commandments, then you should think that Gentiles should obey all of the laws that hang on them. In Acts 15:19-21, it does not treat it as being an exhaustive list for mature believers, but rather it states that it is a list intended to avoid making things too difficult for new believers, which they excused by saying that they would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbaths in the synagogues, which means that they expected that Gentiles would be keeping the Sabbath holy. So that does not counter what I said about Colossians, but rather it supports it.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so circumcision did not predate God's law and Abraham followed god's law (Genesis 26:5). The purpose for which God commanded circumcision was not in order to earn our salvation as the result, so Paul upheld God's law by correctly opposing circumcision for an incorrect purpose, but he was a servant of God, so he did not oppose it for the purposes for which God commanded it.

The fact that God made the Sabbath for man means that it is a precious gift from God that we should not spurn, but rather Gentiles should call it a delight (Isaiah 58:1-14).

Do you follow all the Jewish festivals? How about Jubilee? Good luck getting anyone to agree with that.[/QUOTE]
I do follow God's all festivals, though the year of Jubilee is unknown and specific to living in the land of Israel.

The Mosaic Law is the God of Israel's instructions for how to worship him, so the Israelites did worship God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy. Again, Paul described the Colossians as being judged by pagan for keeping God's holy in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow not as being judged for not keeping them.

Foreshadows testify about the truth of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to keep God's holy days rather than a way that denies the truth of what is to come by refusing to keep them. In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke about how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we should rebel against God's command to observe Passover, he concluded that we should therefore continue to observe it.

I do follow God's all festivals, though the year of Jubilee is unknown and specific to living in the land of Israel.


The Mosaic Law is the God of Israel's instructions for how to worship him, so the Israelites did worship God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy. Again, Paul described the Colossians as being judged by pagan for keeping God's holy in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow not as being judged for not keeping them.

Foreshadows testify about the truth of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to keep God's holy days rather than a way that denies the truth of what is to come by refusing to keep them. In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke about how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we should rebel against God's command to observe Passover, he concluded that we should therefore continue to observe it.[/QUOTE]
So you sacrifice a lamb for Passover? Good for you. You can't make up your mind if you are a Jew or a Christian. "Let no man be your judge...." said Paul to the Colossians. You are a man. I will not let you judge me.

Do you observe all the Jewish feasts? If you have an infection, do you go to the Rabbi to verify that you are healed? Do you burn your house down if you had a serious contagious illness? How about the year of Jubilee? How do you obey that set of instructions? Why focus on the sabbath? There are 613 laws to obey.

Colossians 2:16-17

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After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

rebuttals However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.


There is just one big problem with your understanding. Dead any time during the day is dead that day. 1 minute or 24 hours.
The word of God states Jesu worse the day after the Sabbath, which would be what we know as Sunday.

Jesus died on the Cross that is a day then buried in a tomb and was there for two days that is three days rose on the Third day that he was Dead on but is now alive.

Jesus was dead for three literal days.

It has been explained many times that there is a difference between the shadow laws and the eternal moral law.

Do you understand the difference.

Hebrews explains things well but people continue to combine the eternal moral law and the shadow laws so they can throw them all out together.

This law we establish because it is perfect holy and Spiritual.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

But this law is a shadow and nailed to the cross.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


The Bible does not contradict itself.

The same law can not be eternal and blotted out.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Why focus on the sabbath?
Because it is not a shadow law, it is not a cerimonial law, it is part of the moral law of liberty, the 10 commandments.

God wrote the Ten commandments and had them placed inside the holy ark.

The other laws are shadow laws, and we're placed outside the ark.

The moral laws define sin, and the righteousness of God. The opposite of God's character is the transgression of the law.

The shadow laws are replaced by Christ.
The moral laws are not replaced by Christ.
Christ said to go and sin no more.

Read Heb 7,8,9 and understand the shadow laws please...

Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

There is an ark in Heaven and if the example on Earth helps us to understand what is under the mercy seat then the 10 commandments are in Heaven.


Exo 25:21-22
21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

You really don't get it. Fair enough. I'll live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ my King. That is the Law that God writes on our hearts. You are welcome to live by the law of Moses. I assume that you are an Israelite. I'm not.

Sure, you keep living under the old covenant. I've embraced the new. This discussion is going nowhere. No more.

Sundays - Why We Observe

Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday which is Pentecost (Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1)

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Why follow the shadow of things that were to come after Jesus has arrived where we can join Him in The feast of First Fruits? Let no man therefore judge you concerning not observing Saturday sabbath seeing it's not a requirement given in the New Testament for salvation!

The Lord instructed the Israelites, “You shall count seven weeks for yourself; begin to count the seven weeks from the time you begin to put the sickle to the grain” (Deuteronomy 16:9). The word Pentecost means fifty, and it comes fifty days from the feast of First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10–11, 15–17). The feast of First Fruits was to occur on the day after the Sabbath (verse 11), which was always the Sunday of Passover week. Pentecost, then, was the day after the seventh following Sabbath (verses 15–16), which would be the fiftieth day after First Fruits and also falls on a Sunday.

Jesus died on the Friday of Passover week and had to be buried hastily before sunset, which was when the Sabbath began. His body remained in the sepulcher throughout the Sabbath day, but on that Sunday morning, when the priest was to offer the First Fruits offering in the Temple, Christ arose from the dead as the first fruits of them that slept (I Corinthians 15:20).

For forty days, Jesus appeared to His disciples and then ascended into Heaven. Ten days later, the Sunday of the Feast of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the believers in Jerusalem. The only biblical reference to the events of Pentecost is Acts 2:1-3. At Pentecost, the disciples witnessed the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit.

The evidence shows that the First Fruits and Pentecost were always intended to fall on Sundays, without regard to the day of the month they occurred. As for the New Testament record, it is clear that Jesus arose from the dead on Sunday, the First Day of the Week, the day after the Sabbath, as the fulfillment of the feast of First Fruits. These dates were the literal fulfillment of the Old Testament feasts verifying the powerful meaning of the death and resurrection of Christ.

Jesus is the first fruits, or first born among many brethren

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


God's Word teaches the old covenant has been done away with because we now have a NEW covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

God's Word teaches that Christians are NOT following Moses as their high priest because now we have a NEW High Priest Who is Jesus Christ?

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God did away with the old covenant where Moses was the high priest and made a new Covenant where Jesus Christ is the High Priest and since the priesthood has been changed, there has been a change of the law from the law of Moses to the Law of Christ..

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Those who try to keep the law of Moses are responsible for keeping ALL of the law of Moses and if they don’t keep all of the law, they are guilty of failing to keep the law. Christians are NOT called to keep the law of Moses... we are under the law of Christ now. (see - Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2, 2 Peter 1:4-10)

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


Hebrews 3:1-6
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

They probably aren't an Israelite but got tricked by the seventh day adventist cult.

Straight Talk on the Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism (nonsda.org)

Thanks! I'll put this link in my notes on this subject.

Looks like they have a lot of good info about the SDA that people need to know about.

In this messed up age, you can identify as pretty much anything you like. And I was being a little facetious.

Well, I identify as skinny!

My bathroom scales keep lying to me though