The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

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Acts 15 is clearly about the law of Moses.
The law of God and the law of Moses is not the same.

The ten Commandments and the laws that Moses wrote are not the same.

Moses’ law contained the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the Seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses’ law pointed forward to Christ’s sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God’s law) “stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:8). It is made clear that there are two laws in Daniel 9:10, 11.

Psa 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

There is at least two laws or the bible is contradicting itself in many places.

Col 2:14-20 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; .... Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

But the same person said.....Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. .....12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
And Jesus said....Mat 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The shadow laws were added because of sin and ended at the cross. The law of God does not change.
 

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MOSES' LAW
Called "the law of Moses" (Luke 2:22).
Called "law ... contained in ordinances" (Ephesians 2:15).
Written by Moses in a book (2 Chronicles 35:12).
Placed in the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).
Ended at the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
Added because of sin (Galatians 3:19).
Contrary to us, against us (Colossians 2:14).
Judges no one (Colossians 2:14-16).
Fleshly (Hebrews 7:16).
Made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19).

GOD'S LAW
Called "the law of the Lord" (Isaiah 5:24).
Called "the royal law" (James 2:8).
Written by God on stone (Exodus 31:18 32:16).
Placed inside the ark (Exodus 40:20).
Will stand forever (Luke 16:17).
Points out sin (Romans 7:7 3:20).
Not burdensome (1 John 5:3).
Judges all people (James 2:10-12).
Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Perfect (Psalms 19:7).

These laws are not the same... When you mix all these principles together you can become confussed about which laws we should keep. exactly what the devil wants.
 

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There is a strange belief on the part of many that the great God-written law of the Ten Commandments was actually a part of the ceremonial law of Moses that contained scores of specific regulations. people do not see the decalogue as being distinct and totally unique because of its divine authorship. Neither do they see the clear limitation that the Bible sets for this moral code by calling it the "Ten Commandments."
Not the 99 or the 700 or 9 commandments.. God specifically called them the TEN commandments.
 

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which happened first?

  • Satan falls
  • the tree of knowledge of good from evil is placed in the garden

yes

which means the placement of the tree of the knowledge of good from evil in the garden results from Satan's fall, not the other way around, just as death is a result of sin

and the first commandment to man, not to eat of it, was given to keep him from death - and that commandment did not come before sin, but after it.

the angels see all these things take place in order:
  • Satan falls in the sin of pride
  • Satan deceives many angels into sin with him
  • God plants a garden and puts a tree of death and a tree of life in it
  • God creates man and gives him a single law, saying, he will die if he eats of the tree of death
  • Satan tries to coerce man to choose death, by deceiving man's wife whom he loves
 

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Acts 15 is clearly about the law of Moses.
The law of God and the law of Moses is not the same.

The ten Commandments and the laws that Moses wrote are not the same.

From Acts 15:20 plus 28
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yes

which means the placement of the tree of the knowledge of good from evil in the garden results from Satan's fall, not the other way around, just as death is a result of sin

and the first commandment to man, not to eat of it, was given to keep him from death - and that commandment did not come before sin, but after it.

the angels see all these things take place in order:
  • Satan falls in the sin of pride
  • Satan deceives many angels into sin with him
  • God plants a garden and puts a tree of death and a tree of life in it
  • God creates man and gives him a single law, saying, he will die if he eats of the tree of death
  • Satan tries to coerce man to choose death, by deceiving man's wife whom he loves
Did Satan covet? Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet.

All sins can be linked to the 10 commandments.
Did Adam Covet? Did Adam place another god before his Creator?

Even if Adam wasn't told to Not murder to begin with it is still a sin.
When Cain killed Able the Ten Commandments were not written on stone but Cain knew it was a sin.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

There must have been a law in Heaven that Satan transgressed that resulted in his fall.

Gods laws are for our liberty.... To have a universe with no killing and no stealling is a good thing. God is love and love is what each of the Ten commandments teach. Love for God and Love for our neighbour.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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love one another is not one of the 10 commandments.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

These were given in Moses day.. Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

does that mean they don't apply to gentiles?
 

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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

These were given in Moses day.. Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

does that mean they don't apply to gentiles?

Romans 13:10
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You don't need the law when you walk in the Spirit. You are being moved by the lawgiver. Otherwise, you are being moved by you.
In the Spirit you have the mind of Christ. Otherwise, you have your carnal mind.

Why do you insist on leading people into sin? Why not let God work in people rather than teach them to live in the power of self?
The Spirit leads to perfect obedience... Leads to walking in obedience.
The Spirit is perfectly righteous and when we obey the Spirit perfectly we walk in righteousness...

Walking in the Spirit = Walking in obedience. We can not do any good, We are not able to walk in obedience without the Spirit.

Praise God for the Spirit...
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

If you obey the Spirit and don't Sin (The Spirit does not Sin), You are not under the condemnation of the the law. The law can not hold you in bondage.

Because there is no law against the fruit of the Spirit you don't need to worry about being under the law.

The law still defines sin.
 

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Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

We are in agreement when it comes to loving God and loving our neighbour.
But as soon as i mention the 10 commandments people say NO. They are now Spiritual or they are made void, or 9 of them but not 10.

But the commandments of God have not changed. His judgement has been the same from the start.

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

i believe we can become like the hypocrites in Jesus's day that focused on the little things of the law and failed the weighter things, like faith and mercy. But Jesus said not to leave the other things undone.

All of the moral law is important.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 

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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

These were given in Moses day.. Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

does that mean they don't apply to gentiles?
neither of those are Exodus 20.

instead of trying to eisegete them into it, turning Matthew 22 upside down, i suggest asking, "why not?"
 

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Did Satan covet? Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet.
Satan did a lot of things.

Ezekiel tells us his initial sin was pride.

"thou shalt be humble" doesn't happen to be one of the 10, but it's an extenuation of love, which also isn't one of the 10.
 

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When Cain killed Able the Ten Commandments were not written on stone but Cain knew it was a sin
because he knew by example he was supposed to love his brother, not because God had recited a law to them.

hear what scripture says, that the Law was added because of sin.

have you not read Exodus 1-19?
it actually doesn't begin at chapter 20

#math
 

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the decalogue is as Genesis 3:16-19, and Deuteronomy 6:5 & Leviticus 19:18 are as Genesis 3:15 & 3:20-21

the law, and the gospel - they are different things