Did giants really exist?
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● Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days, and also
afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they
bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of
renown.
One of the Hebrew words for "giant" is rapha' which appears in
numerous places throughout the Old Testament and typically always
indicates brutish people of large physical stature. But that's not the word for
giants here in Gen 6:4. Instead it's ha-nepihilym which appears in only
two verses in the entire Old Testament; the one here and the other in
Numbers 13:33.
The word is somewhat ambiguous, but in this context it pertains to bullies:
especially to men famous for tyranny; e.g. Genghis Khan of Mongolia, and
Alexander the Great of Greece; Napoleon of France, Peter Alekseyevich
Romanov of Russia, Chandragupta Maurya of India, shogun Minamoto no
Yoritomo of Japan, conquistador Hernando Cortes of Spain, Timur: founder
of the Timurid dynasty, and Zahir-ud din Muhammad Babur: founder of the
Mughal dynasty that ruled the Indian subcontinent for over three centuries;
and of course guys like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Mao
Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Muammar
Gaddafi, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un.
In other words: ha-nepihilyhm doesn't necessarily indicate a unique race of
people; but mostly strong personalities, i.e. especially those whose ambition
is to quite dominate others, i.e. despots, dictators, and tyrants, etc. Those
kinds of people don't just want power: they want to compromise your
integrity, censor your information, control the content of your thoughts,
tamper with justice, suppress human rights, politicize law enforcement, force
you into accepting experimental vaccines, foster cognitive dissonance (e.g.
gender-neutral pronouns) silence dissent (they call it misinformation) and
regulate the quantity and the quality of the food on your table, etc.
Those kinds of people dominate the news and even sometimes appear
outstanding. For example Stalin was voted TIME magazine's man of the year
back in 1942.
Men (and women) who seek to dominate others are often the least suitable
to do so; and back there in Noah's day that was certainly true. The moral
quality of the world built by the governance of the ha-nepihilym was so poor
that the situation required God to step in and do something about it.
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● Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days, and also
afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they
bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of
renown.
One of the Hebrew words for "giant" is rapha' which appears in
numerous places throughout the Old Testament and typically always
indicates brutish people of large physical stature. But that's not the word for
giants here in Gen 6:4. Instead it's ha-nepihilym which appears in only
two verses in the entire Old Testament; the one here and the other in
Numbers 13:33.
The word is somewhat ambiguous, but in this context it pertains to bullies:
especially to men famous for tyranny; e.g. Genghis Khan of Mongolia, and
Alexander the Great of Greece; Napoleon of France, Peter Alekseyevich
Romanov of Russia, Chandragupta Maurya of India, shogun Minamoto no
Yoritomo of Japan, conquistador Hernando Cortes of Spain, Timur: founder
of the Timurid dynasty, and Zahir-ud din Muhammad Babur: founder of the
Mughal dynasty that ruled the Indian subcontinent for over three centuries;
and of course guys like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Mao
Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Muammar
Gaddafi, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un.
In other words: ha-nepihilyhm doesn't necessarily indicate a unique race of
people; but mostly strong personalities, i.e. especially those whose ambition
is to quite dominate others, i.e. despots, dictators, and tyrants, etc. Those
kinds of people don't just want power: they want to compromise your
integrity, censor your information, control the content of your thoughts,
tamper with justice, suppress human rights, politicize law enforcement, force
you into accepting experimental vaccines, foster cognitive dissonance (e.g.
gender-neutral pronouns) silence dissent (they call it misinformation) and
regulate the quantity and the quality of the food on your table, etc.
Those kinds of people dominate the news and even sometimes appear
outstanding. For example Stalin was voted TIME magazine's man of the year
back in 1942.
Men (and women) who seek to dominate others are often the least suitable
to do so; and back there in Noah's day that was certainly true. The moral
quality of the world built by the governance of the ha-nepihilym was so poor
that the situation required God to step in and do something about it.
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I think the Bible is obvious that Giant's existed. We read about Og king of Bashan who's bed was 9 cubits long. There are several references to the Rafiates who seem to be a family line of giants. The reports of the Hebrew spies about Canaan tells of giants. Goliath and his brother Lahmi were giants.
But the origin of these people is not very clear. The "sons of God" going into the "daughters of men" in Gen 6 isn't exactly obvious to the meaning. I don't know what it means, but from the words to fallen angels making children with human women seems like a you have to add a bunch of imagination.
But the origin of these people is not very clear. The "sons of God" going into the "daughters of men" in Gen 6 isn't exactly obvious to the meaning. I don't know what it means, but from the words to fallen angels making children with human women seems like a you have to add a bunch of imagination.
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Not really. You have to go to 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, which specifically speak about these evil angels:
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Why are they in "chains of darkness" waiting in Tartarus for the final judgment (and consignment to the Lake of Fire)? Because they left their "first estate" (Heaven) and married human women (contrary to their reason for existence). "Sons of God" are contrasted with "daughters of men". If that was a reference to human beings there would be no contrast.
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose... There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:2,4)
Those giants (Nephilim) also became "mighty men of renown" because their strength was far greater than that of human beings. Angels themselves are far more powerful then men.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Why are they in "chains of darkness" waiting in Tartarus for the final judgment (and consignment to the Lake of Fire)? Because they left their "first estate" (Heaven) and married human women (contrary to their reason for existence). "Sons of God" are contrasted with "daughters of men". If that was a reference to human beings there would be no contrast.
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose... There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:2,4)
Those giants (Nephilim) also became "mighty men of renown" because their strength was far greater than that of human beings. Angels themselves are far more powerful then men.
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Why do you ignore what many take sons of God contrasted against daughters of men to mean?
Sons of God: sons of God are those who believe in and worship God.
Daughters of men are those who neither believe in nor worship the one true God.
Scripture is filled with warnings to the sons of God not to intermarry with non-believers.
But even the wisest man in the world ignored this counsel and fell into idolatry as a result.
Unless you think there is no difference between believers and non-believers, there is a definite contrast there.
Sons of God: sons of God are those who believe in and worship God.
Daughters of men are those who neither believe in nor worship the one true God.
Scripture is filled with warnings to the sons of God not to intermarry with non-believers.
But even the wisest man in the world ignored this counsel and fell into idolatry as a result.
Unless you think there is no difference between believers and non-believers, there is a definite contrast there.
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Seen satan in a couple dreams or visions.The first one I was being shown the happy hunting grounds because I didn't want God and blamed him for the things that were going on in my life at that time.I'd tell him that, and he'd respond back like an actual conversation.
This was probably a dream but vivid.A lot of times it was like he would take me so it's confusing whatever some of them were dreams or visions.
Long story short I followed a voice while in a bright forest knowing who it was and came across a open field and a river between it.Then another voice behind me said all you have to do is cross.After looking behind me that second voice was Jesus.The river was calm at first but now it was raging.While facing toward Jesus and we were talking I heard a voice say "look!"And I turned around and saw satan.
He stood in front of the tree line in the clearing.He wore a mask with four faces that covered the four directions,and was as tall as the trees.
Another was a dream.There was a small get together or maybe I was just randomly there.I don't know.But there was these two twins and one wanted me to follow her.She went into a room and as I was walking toward the door I heard "look!" again.Behind me the other twin turned into satan.
This time he looked like an alien,or gremlin.His eyes were on stalks and had big ears.His arms and legs were long and wavy like
spaghetti.
Another satan one I was taken to hell and was in these dark tunnels and was told to run and I could feel this presence chasing me like it could have got me but was toying with me.They caught up and there was satan and these little demons.Some were small like cats and some 3,4 feet tall.Satan was a lot taller than me.At one point This voice said "call on me" or "say my name."As soon as I called out Jesus they all had the look of fear in their faces.
God for some reason would always do this whenever he would reveal his presence.His voice would quote scripture and musical instruments would play.
This tiny little speck of light appeared and the brighter it got the more scared the demons got.Even satan, but he acted tough and was threatening anyone who ran away will be thrown into the lake of fire.
Before he appeared some actually ran,flew off, and more followed soon after.They were getting behind satan because they were scared senseless, and some clung onto him.One of them was hanging onto his leg.He looked scared out of his wits but as soon as he saw me looking at him he put on his mean mug, all while holding on to satans leg lol.
This light filled the whole tunnel and Jesus just came out of it, and more demons took off as soon as you can see him.He said something and waved his hand, and satan and the rest of the demons got blown away at this ridiculous speed down the tunnels.
He was so mad I could hear his voice echo down the tunnels giving orders to throw the ones who took off into the fire.
I believe that they can appear as giants,or as what they want.The same as God can.I even once saw the face of Jesus in the sky and he was looking down on the earth.He looked so big that there was no way he would have been able to stand on the earth.He didn't look happy.He was angry.
This was probably a dream but vivid.A lot of times it was like he would take me so it's confusing whatever some of them were dreams or visions.
Long story short I followed a voice while in a bright forest knowing who it was and came across a open field and a river between it.Then another voice behind me said all you have to do is cross.After looking behind me that second voice was Jesus.The river was calm at first but now it was raging.While facing toward Jesus and we were talking I heard a voice say "look!"And I turned around and saw satan.
He stood in front of the tree line in the clearing.He wore a mask with four faces that covered the four directions,and was as tall as the trees.
Another was a dream.There was a small get together or maybe I was just randomly there.I don't know.But there was these two twins and one wanted me to follow her.She went into a room and as I was walking toward the door I heard "look!" again.Behind me the other twin turned into satan.
This time he looked like an alien,or gremlin.His eyes were on stalks and had big ears.His arms and legs were long and wavy like
spaghetti.
Another satan one I was taken to hell and was in these dark tunnels and was told to run and I could feel this presence chasing me like it could have got me but was toying with me.They caught up and there was satan and these little demons.Some were small like cats and some 3,4 feet tall.Satan was a lot taller than me.At one point This voice said "call on me" or "say my name."As soon as I called out Jesus they all had the look of fear in their faces.
God for some reason would always do this whenever he would reveal his presence.His voice would quote scripture and musical instruments would play.
This tiny little speck of light appeared and the brighter it got the more scared the demons got.Even satan, but he acted tough and was threatening anyone who ran away will be thrown into the lake of fire.
Before he appeared some actually ran,flew off, and more followed soon after.They were getting behind satan because they were scared senseless, and some clung onto him.One of them was hanging onto his leg.He looked scared out of his wits but as soon as he saw me looking at him he put on his mean mug, all while holding on to satans leg lol.
This light filled the whole tunnel and Jesus just came out of it, and more demons took off as soon as you can see him.He said something and waved his hand, and satan and the rest of the demons got blown away at this ridiculous speed down the tunnels.
He was so mad I could hear his voice echo down the tunnels giving orders to throw the ones who took off into the fire.
I believe that they can appear as giants,or as what they want.The same as God can.I even once saw the face of Jesus in the sky and he was looking down on the earth.He looked so big that there was no way he would have been able to stand on the earth.He didn't look happy.He was angry.
1. Why do you ignore 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6? So who were these angels other than those in Genesis 6?
2. In the OT believers are NEVER called "sons of God" (rather "the righteous"), but angels are (see Job). Since it is only in the New Testament that believers are born again and therefore called "sons of God" (John 1:12,13) we can be certain that those in Genesis 6 are angels.
3. Humans marrying humans do not produce giants, since gigantism is an aberration. Humans are not ten feet tall (or even taller).
4. Jude also references the book of Enoch (Jude 1:14,15) and Enoch
has details about what happened and who these angels were.
2. In the OT believers are NEVER called "sons of God" (rather "the righteous"), but angels are (see Job). Since it is only in the New Testament that believers are born again and therefore called "sons of God" (John 1:12,13) we can be certain that those in Genesis 6 are angels.
3. Humans marrying humans do not produce giants, since gigantism is an aberration. Humans are not ten feet tall (or even taller).
4. Jude also references the book of Enoch (Jude 1:14,15) and Enoch
has details about what happened and who these angels were.
I have one problem with angels being the sons of God who are said to have produced giants on the earth.
My first question would be, why would the LORD allow superior beings (angels) to take on human form in order to conceive children with mortal women?
If this were the case, my second question would be, "how could the Lord then hold the human race accountable for the "Wickedness on the earth, and the thoughts of (men's) hearts being evil continually." Throughout the Scriptures, it appears demons control the people they possess, and not vice-versa.
Verse seven, Scriptures say, "It repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth." If these were the children of angelic creatures, can we say the LORD made them?
Your thoughts.
My first question would be, why would the LORD allow superior beings (angels) to take on human form in order to conceive children with mortal women?
If this were the case, my second question would be, "how could the Lord then hold the human race accountable for the "Wickedness on the earth, and the thoughts of (men's) hearts being evil continually." Throughout the Scriptures, it appears demons control the people they possess, and not vice-versa.
Verse seven, Scriptures say, "It repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth." If these were the children of angelic creatures, can we say the LORD made them?
Your thoughts.
I used to be of the other view until I read the Bible more. I kept noticing that Israel kept being warned about intermarriage with pagan nations. They disregarded the stern warnings and kept going through cycles of judgement throughout the O.T. Believing parents do the same today. They keep disregarding the warnings and keep letting their children marry heathens.
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Because He created free and rational creatures.
A deduction from the scripture we have. We see satan as fallen and already Judged. Why is he still roaming about? A solid deduction we can make is.....satan is appealing Gods judgement and God allowed it. So, mankind is smack dab in the middle of the angelic/kingdom conflict(trial.) Next to blinding man from the Cross, satan does his best to blind mankind from this truth. Why? Because every time a lower created creature is saved by Gods Grace through that creatures FREEWILL faith in Christ they become witnesses for Gods FAIR and Just judgments. And we participate as witnesses for God in satans final judgement.
Satan blinds us from the Cross, so we cannot be witnesses against him in the final judgement. And God gives satan a pretty loose rein to operate.
So, IMO satan was trying to taint the human bloodline(pure humanity) so as to thwart Gods plan of the true seed(The Lord Jesus Christ.) And God allowed it.
A deduction from the scripture we have. We see satan as fallen and already Judged. Why is he still roaming about? A solid deduction we can make is.....satan is appealing Gods judgement and God allowed it. So, mankind is smack dab in the middle of the angelic/kingdom conflict(trial.) Next to blinding man from the Cross, satan does his best to blind mankind from this truth. Why? Because every time a lower created creature is saved by Gods Grace through that creatures FREEWILL faith in Christ they become witnesses for Gods FAIR and Just judgments. And we participate as witnesses for God in satans final judgement.
Satan blinds us from the Cross, so we cannot be witnesses against him in the final judgement. And God gives satan a pretty loose rein to operate.
So, IMO satan was trying to taint the human bloodline(pure humanity) so as to thwart Gods plan of the true seed(The Lord Jesus Christ.) And God allowed it.
Why does God allow sin? The angels rebelled, and God permitted it to a degree. Jude talks about God putting an end to their wickedness (with or before the flood) after permitting it for a time.
Are we held accountable for our own sin, even though Adam (and Eve through being deceived!) brought this mess upon us? The good thing is, even though we are accountable for our own sin, Jesus was able to die in our place, so that we can be held righteous for His righteousness.
Are we held accountable for our own sin, even though Adam (and Eve through being deceived!) brought this mess upon us? The good thing is, even though we are accountable for our own sin, Jesus was able to die in our place, so that we can be held righteous for His righteousness.