The Error of KJV-Onlyism

In other words, it seems like the time during the 7 year tribulation is a time of miraculous things taking place again.
I believe it will also be a time when there will be great revivals, as well. For we read in Revelation about the many saints were those who came out of the tribulation. But today, we walk by faith and not by sight. We don't see miracles or God talking to us, and receive visions, etcetera. God talks to us today by His Word (the Bible). Can God use life situations to talk to you? Yes, but it is only to uplift His Word and to get you to read and study the Bible more.

For example:

Back when I lived in the state I grew up in: There was this baby deer that was living in my back yard once for about two weeks. It's mother would come by and feed it and then leave. However, it would make noises to it's mother at night, which would sometimes make it hard for me to sleep. So the one day, I was presented with an opportunity to get rid of this baby deer safely. So I decided to put on my black rubber work gloves and go outside in order to grab him gently and throw him over the chain link fence back into the forest where it's mother was at.

So I walked really slow and got really close to him; And just when I was about to grab him, he quickly bolted to the front of the house. This scared me a little, because I did not want the little guy getting hit by any cars in the front of the house, seeing I lived on a busy street back then. However, when I got to the front of the house, he did not go near the traffic of the road, which was good. So he started to move back towards the back yard again. However, this time he went into the neighbor's back yard. This was perfect because they had a gate to their back yard so I could close it behind me, ensuring my capture of the little guy.

So I pinned him behind some stacked up wood behind the neighbor's shed and I grabbed him. He was kicking and screaming as I held him in my hands; And then I threw him over the chain link fence back into the forest. He landed safely on the other side of the fence; And later, I eventually seen him reunite with his mother (Which put me at ease).

However, afterwards I kept thinking to myself of how scared this baby deer was when I was holding it in my hands. I mean, it had no idea what I was going to do it. It probably thought I was trying to either eat it or hurt it in some way. In fact, I could actually feel the fear dripping off of this poor little guy.

Anyways, later that evening, when I was watching a video from a certain minister as per my usual routine throughout the week (back then), he told me about the following passages ...

So I said to myself. What is a "roe"?
So I looked it up on the internet and low and behold, a roe is a baby deer! Here I was just a few hours earlier chasing a baby deer and I could feel it's fear in the fact that I was chasing it. This was a passage that God wanted to show me. He wanted to show me that the world will one day run in fear as the chased roe when God (i.e. Jesus Christ) will return to end all evil and iniquity. It was powerful! Coincidence you might say?

There were more of these kinds of things that took place.
But the point is that God uplifts His Word to me.
I was not trusting something new that was extra-biblical.

God speaking to Paul is not his word? Come on man.

You should rethink your position.

2 Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Okay??? So you won't just simply answer the question? Why the need for all the tap dancing if it's such a strong position?

I'm not trying to be rude or snarky here, but I'm just trying to have a straight forward conversation about this topic. Again, I get the argument for it, but I disagree with many of the assumptions made and conclusions reached when diving into the finer details of the "KJV Only" case.

I understand you don't want to be offensive or blatantly aggressive with your position, but you said that God will hold us accountable for not using the KJV exclusively, yet when I asked straight up you kind of side stepped it, now jump into why you think other versions are corrupt. Look I get it, but the thing is even before we get to that point there are some glaring problems with holding up a particular version of His word as "above" all things. First and foremost being that His word itself doesn't tell us of some perfected version (coming in 1611) that invalidates everything else around it. That's why I ask you very specifically what you believe, because there are many that take this you make this almost mythical standard about it being "god's prefect word in every conceivable way, without error and perfected to every degree". Which for the record, I agree with, but present it in way that opens a whole world of unnecessary and pointless debate distracting from the TRUTH. Even worse in my eyes, is it splits the body from the jump before a word is said forb NO good reason.

Listen I am not trying to just fight with you guys for fun, or because I'm board, I want to sharpen myself as well as learn, to come together to draw closer to Him. I get how this view is appealing, and the way it's presented is convincing, but there is a deception to it if you see it or not. It's honestly what they leave out when making this case that I find deceitful. They only lay out the details and slant towards their view while never saying a thing about how or why any of these things were different in other versions. This is where KJV onlyism lost me, was when you start researching why and how these verses were changed or worded differently. While not every single case in every version "makes sense" (I say this because I haven't researched it nearly that much and wouldn't even make such a sweeping claim anyway), but everyone I have researched was explained to my satisfaction, and made sense in a very non-nefarious way. I don't see the devil behind it changing His word. I don't even believe that he could prevail against His word.

I just see too many problem with this view for it to be truth and I don't think we should make it a thing to divide over. I defiantly don't believe God will punish us for using other Bibles than the KJV.

One of the main issues I have with KJV onlyism is the idea that the manuscripts on which modern Bibles are based are corrupted. In my opinion they're of an inferior quality but not corrupted; it's still the word of God. That's why I reject KJVO.

On the flipside, I don't really appreciate how these inferior manuscripts are always presented as "the best." This just simply is not the case.

Inferior but yet still the word of God? If they contain errors, even one error, then they cannot be considered the word of God. God's word does not contain error. A faithful witness will not lie.

Errors compared to what? There is no holy grail, against which every other must be compared; that only exists in the minds of KJV onlyists. The only Holy Grail is Christ; whatever manuscripts and translations give us the best picture of Him are best.

It is such a joy digging through the mountains and mountains of coal to find even the smallest scrap of sparkling diamond. Coal smears, and doesn't hold up well against fire, but diamonds cut.

You used the word inferior. Inferior to what? And why are they inferior?

They're inferior for all the reasons you say they're corrupted. I just disagree with the argument they're "corrupted." For them to be corrupted you have to have a gold standard against which they can be compared; then, if they don't meet that standard you might be able to say they're corrupted. But no one can produce this mythical gold standard or prove objectively that it is indeed the holy grail.

Which is why your KJV-only position is utterly ridiculous.

You're employing a fallacy of anachronism.

@Dino246

First, poster “John146“ just refuted your claim with Scripture.
Second, you gave the “boring” rep in response.
How on Earth can you see this as boring?
He posted Scripture!
Any discussion of Scripture should never be boring, even if you disagree.
This is why I am flabbergasted by such responses by you.
The Bible says that the entrance of God’s words brings light (Psalms 119:130).
In fact, God’s words taste sweeter than honey (Psalms 119:103).
Doesn’t seem like you agree with what the Bible plainly teaches (unless you care to explain).

King James created his Bible to serve his own political ends. I would avoid it for that reason alone.

You got your answer, but did not like it. So once again, when someone deliberately chooses the corrupt over the pure, God holds them accountable.

Modern Translations are filled with many false doctrines. Here is…

A List of False Doctrinal Changes in Modern Bibles:


#1. Direct References to the Trinity are Removed.

1 John 5:7 is the one and only verse that clearly describes the Trinity and it is removed in Modern Bibles. Also, the word “Godhead” (Meaning Trinity) appears three times in the King James Bible and yet it is changed to say something else in Modern Translations. So all direct references to the Trinity are removed in Contemporary Translations. If I were on an island, and I had no clue about Christianity, the odds of my understanding of the Trinity would be better if I had a King James bible vs. a Modern Translation bible that removes this valuable truth about knowing the Trinity. So this proves that Modern Translations are less helpful for me to understand the Trinity by using the Bible alone.

#2. Doctrine of The True Way To Test a Spirit of Antichrist is Removed and Altered.

The command on the details of the true way to test a "spirit of Antichrist" is changed in Modern Bibles (See: 1 John 4:2-3). For example: First, the word “acknowledge” (NIV) is used instead of “confess.” (KJB). We must “confess” that Jesus Christ has come into the flesh, and not just “acknowledge” by nodding our head or saying, “Amen,” etcetera. In addition, 1 John 4:3 eliminates the full version that the “King James Bible” has. So clearly, this is a watering down of testing the spirits to see one of the ways a spirit is from God or not. Note: We also see the words “according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;” removed in Modern translations in Acts 2:30. So, Modern Bibles are failing the very test that Scripture gives us.

#3. The Doctrine of Fasting To Cast Out Persistent Demons is Removed.

Matthew 17:21 tells us that casting out persistent or really strong devils is by prayer and fasting. Yet, Matthew 17:21 is oddly removed in Modern Translations. Mark 9:29 mentions that you can pray to remove these kinds of devils, but it does not mention fasting. So the key doctrine of fasting to cast out really strong demons is gone. So the enemy wins if a person only adheres to the Modern Translations and they have a "hate on” for the KJV. If you ever encountered strong demonic activity like this before, you know that fasting does actually help greatly, and not just prayer alone.

#4. The Command To Study God's Word To Show Yourself Approved Unto God is Removed and Altered.

2 Timothy 2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Modern Translations are confusing on this point and they say "work hard to present yourself approved unto God." The context is rightly dividing the Word of Truth (Scripture). Why is this important? Well, we are living in the last days where men of God are questioning the Bible, or they are looking for something extra in addition to the Bible (like visions, dreams, revelations, prophecies, other holy books, etc.). God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

#5. The Full Version of the Doctrine of Having "No Condemnation" According to Romans 8:1 is Removed.

Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Modern Translations leave out the part that says, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The KJV says, as a part of having no Condemnation: We have to (a) Be in Christ Jesus, AND: (b) Walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The enemy wants Christians today to justify sin instead of battling against it. So the enemy will do everything he can to give a person a watered-down version of His holy Word to promote the idea that they do not need to worry about sin destroying their soul.

#6. The Doctrine of Having Faith in His Blood in Romans 3:25 is Removed and Altered.

Modern Translations are not clear that we are to directly have faith in Christ's blood according to Romans 3:25. In the past, I have argued with other professing believers on another Christian forum who reject the blood atonement and or they reject that Christ's blood literally cleansed us from sin. If they had a real sword (KJV) instead of a butter knife (Modern Translation), they would have a better chance of discovering the truth of the Blood Atonement. Romans 3:25 is not altered, unlike certain Modern Translations.

#7. In Genesis 3:16, the ESV (Which is one of the most popular Modern Translations) doctrinally changes the nature of the truth in the KJV by saying that Eve's (the wife's) desire is contrary to her husband.

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#8. Habakkuk 2:2, and 2 Corinthians 3:12 are altered by Modern Translations to eliminate that God uses plainness of speech.

This is important because Modern Translation believers prefer to look to the original languages to understand God's Word as their only go-to source. While I am not against original language word studies, I believe this should be done occasionally or when the text is difficult. But some in the Modern Translation movement will make it seem like you cannot truly understand God's Word just by reading the Bible in English. This is not the plainness of speech that God employs. While God can speak in metaphor or parables, He also speaks in plainness of speech, too. This has to apply to our lives today in some way. Surely it is not a coincidence that these two key verses are eliminated in their favored Modern Translations (that influences their way of thinking).

#9. Philippians 2:7 Changes Doctrine by Removing an Aspect of the Deity of Christ During His Earthly Ministry.

Philippians 2:6-7 says correctly,

6 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:” (Philippians 2:6-7).

King James correctly says that Christ made himself of no reputation.

Different Modern Translations say that He “emptied himself” (ESV), and the NLT says that “he gave up his divine privileges;” (Philippians 2:7). This is false, and it is a denial of the deity of Christ. God cannot cease to become God. God cannot cut out an aspect of who He is at His core in having divine power and yet still be God. That would be a contradiction. The Modern Translations teach a gnostic heresy in denying that Jesus has power as God. Granted, Jesus had grown in wisdom (See: Luke 2:52), but I believe this was not an elimination of His divine powers as God, but it was a suppression of them (See: John 17:5, Habakkuk 2:14). For Jesus needed to be a like figure or type of Adam; For Adam also was limited in knowledge when He was in a right relationship with God before the Fall (See: 1 Corinthians 15:45-47). However, Jesus clearly had power as God as a man before the cross. For the Bible clearly teaches...

Jesus had power as God:
(during his earthly ministry):

(1). Jesus said He has the power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had the power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
(2). Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
(3). Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
(4). Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
(5). Jesus had the power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
(6). Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
(7). Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15). This is a part of His divine power and or abilities as God. Humans born to two parents cannot make their homes inside other people.
(8). “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee and manifested forth his glory, and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, that Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory. This was the first miracle done by Jesus, and it was a part of His showing forth His deity as God. The apostle John did not say that the Lord Jesus manifested the Holy Spirit’s glory, but His own glory.
(9). ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask anything in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“about answering prayer. So if a person prays for healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.
(10). John 5:17 (NKJV) “But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” If you were to read a little before verse 17, we learn that this is in context to the Jews being upset because of Christ healing a man on the Sabbath. So Jesus is taking ownership of this healing because He said He has been working (Just as the Father). John 5:19 says, “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

#10. Modern Bibles falsely teach Jesus had faith.

Hebrews 12:2 (NRSV)
“looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the sake of the joy that was set before him endured the cross, disregarding its shame, and has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of God.”

The King James Bible correctly renders Hebrews 12:2.

Hebrews 12:2 (KJB)
“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”

Jesus is the author or the creator of our faith because He is God. God or Jesus gave us the words of eternal life to believe in Him. He created the faith for us to believe in Him, trust in Him for salvation, and to trust in His words. Jesus is not the pioneer of our faith.


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#11. The False Belief that Jesus is a created demi-god is taught in Modern Bibles.

Modern Bibles wrongfully teach the demi-god Jesus viewpoint in that they wrongfully imply the Eternal second PERSON of the Trinity (the Living Word) had a beginning point in time in being a created being. In John 1:18, in the King James Bible, it correctly says: “the only begotten Son,” but this is changed in corrupted modern Bibles to say: "The only begotten God" (LSV) (BLB) (AMP) (NAS1977) (NAS1995). In Micah 5:2, in the King James Bible, it correctly says that the Living Word (or the Messiah) is: “from everlasting,” but this is changed in the corrupted modern Bibles to: “from ancient times” or “from ancient days” or “distant past.” (Suggesting that the second person of the Trinity did not exist from eternity’s past but had a beginning).

#12. The Truth That God Will Not Reward Us Openly By Our Doing Works in Secret For Him is Erased.

In Matthew 6:1, Matthew 6:6, and Matthew 6:18, Modern Bibles remove the point about how God will reward us openly (publicly or among others) if we give alms in secret, pray in secret, and fast in secret. This is sad because it shows that God can reward us openly today in our lives and not just in the afterlife. It shows God is actively involved in our lives, and He cares for us in our day-to-day lives.

#13. Important Key Words in the Lord’s Prayer are Removed.

In Matthew 6:13 (in the Lord’s Prayer): Modern bibles remove the words, “..For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.” This is the model prayer Jesus gave to us, and it is subtly attacked in one part here in Modern Bibles. We are to say to God the Father in our own words, "Your's is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever, Amen.” I believe one way to understand what is being said here is in the fact that this is an expression of a position of humbleness before God in our worship of Him and what is owed to Him. God deserves all the glory and power because He is God, and we are just mere human beings (i.e., the creation).

#14. The Great Commission in Mark is Questioned.

Modern Bibles footnote Mark 16:9-20 and say these verses were not in the earliest manuscripts. This affects doctrine. Mark 16:15 says, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” So the great commission is not only teaching all nations (as Matthew 28 says), but it is also preaching the gospel to every creature (person). This shows the importance and focus of the gospel as a part of our Lord’s great commission (But such a beautiful thing is cast into doubt with modern Bibles).

#15. God magnifies His Word above His own name Is Removed in Modern Bibles.

Psalms 138:2 says, “I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Yet, the underlined part of this verse is neutered like a cat in Modern Versions. You don’t really know the full depth of how God regards His Word if you have a Modern Bible.

#16. In many Modern Bibles, You are Not Taught About Knowing the Certainty of the Words of Truth.

Proverbs 22:21 says, “That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” Yet, knowing the certainty of the words of truth is removed in Modern Bibles. This is strange because those who hold to Modern Bibles generally believe there are errors in all Bibles, and there is no real certainty of the words of truth.


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#17. Leaving Room for Abortion.

Certain Modern Translations Leave Room for a Person to Commit Abortion. For example, Luke 1:15 in certain Modern Translations such as the CEV, GNT, ICB, PHILLIPS, MSG, NCV, NLV, and WE all basically say from the time of John the Baptist's birth, he will be filled with the Holy Ghost. This is unlike the KJB that correctly says he will be filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb. Being filled with the Spirit in the mother’s womb suggests John the Baptist is a living human being inside the mother. Today, some Christians believe in abortion because they don’t think the baby is alive inside the womb (Which is basically the murder of innocent babies). No doubt, modern Bibles like these could potentially lead a person to justify the murder of the innocent.

#18. Fornication is either removed entirely or watered down.

Fornication means sex before marriage. This word “fornication” is removed entirely in popular Modern Translations (such as the NIV, ESV, and NET). The NAS95 mentions fornication four times, while the KJB mentions it 32 times. The point here is that this is an attack on the sin of sex before marriage (See 1 Corinthians 7:2). NAS95 changes it to immoralities. Other versions say “sexual immorality” instead of “fornication” which muddies the waters of meaning here. Sexual Immorality could include other immoral sex acts (bestiality, incest) that do not specifically refer to fornication. Newer Christians today think sex before marriage is okay.

#19. The Command not to have fellowship with prosperity preachers is removed.

The command to remove yourself from those who think that “gain is godliness” is missing in 1 Timothy 6. We should not hang out or fellowship with prosperity teachers or money-grabbing believers. Their influence can rub off on you to think the same way. Their bad influence can lead you to chase after riches instead of righteousness. The love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10). 1 Timothy 6:5 says we are to withdraw ourselves from those who think “gain” is “godliness.”

#20. The part of Revelation 22:14 that says, "they that do his commandments" is altered.

Revelation 22:14 (KJB) says,

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Revelation 22:14 (ESV)

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates."

Some believe Modern translations are more accurate here because they point to Revelation 7:14 regarding washing one’s robes in the blood. But the KJB truth of Revelation 22:14 lines up with Revelation 14:12 which also talks about God’s commands. However, contextually, those outside the gates were those who were living in grievous sin (See Revelation 22:15). Sin is merely disobedience to God’s commands or laws (See: 1 John 3:4).

#21. The command “Do violence To No Man” in Luke 3:14 is changed in most Modern Bibles.

While other related verses teach a similar truth, this is a significant verse in Scripture that, if removed, would water down this teaching greatly. Today, even Christians have resorted to the unnecessary use of violence instead of loving their enemies, as Jesus told us.


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