The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

I meant that Jesus is not the only savior on planet earth. Fireman, and physicians are saviors by the biblical definition of saviors, but to think that one saves oneself into the afterlife is a common Christian mistake, and an impossibility. God wakes nekroi which is the English definition of the word save, but not the biblical one. Unfortunately, scolding or embarrassing wrongdoers is the only way to preach effectively, so any a someone doesn't end up in Hades.

Rom. 5:20 0 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

the trespass offering comes to mind ...
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The irony of it Huh?

Glorying in the Cross of Christ !2

We Glory in Christ Cross/Blood alone because by it, even when we were enemies, unbelievers, at active enmity against God, we were still reconciled to God by the Blood of His Son Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death[Cross, Blood] of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When this Truth is revealed to God given Faith, we Glory in the Cross of Christ. This Reconciliation by the Cross of Christ takes place without our Faith, without our consent, in fact without our knowledge of it, but while in ignorance.

Also by it [The Cross, Blood, Death] of Christ, without Faith, We are Justified before God and Declared Righteous before Him, Per Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This obedience of His is His obedience unto the Cross Phil 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

All this happened as a result and effect of the Cross of Christ apart from any of our obedience, faith, repentance of our own, and while we were enemies, and by this way, Christ has secured unto Himself all the Glory of Our Salvation, and by this Knowledge being communicated to us, We Glory in the Cross, Boast in the Lord and what His Cross has done ! 46

Glorying in the Cross of Christ !2

We Glory in Christ Cross/Blood alone because by it, even when we were enemies, unbelievers, at active enmity against God, we were still reconciled to God by the Blood of His Son Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death[Cross, Blood] of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When this Truth is revealed to God given Faith, we Glory in the Cross of Christ. This Reconciliation by the Cross of Christ takes place without our Faith, without our consent, in fact without our knowledge of it, but while in ignorance.

Also by it [The Cross, Blood, Death] of Christ, without Faith, We are Justified before God and Declared Righteous before Him, Per Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This obedience of His is His obedience unto the Cross Phil 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

All this happened as a result and effect of the Cross of Christ apart from any of our obedience, faith, repentance of our own, and while we were enemies, and by this way, Christ has secured unto Himself all the Glory of Our Salvation, and by this Knowledge being communicated to us, We Glory in the Cross, Boast in the Lord and what His Cross has done ! 46
Opposing the Truth

Opposing the Truth

Please note that 1 John 5:1 does not say whosoever will believe, which eliminates the natural man. Believeth is present tense. It is also the same wording in John 3:16.

2 Pet 3:9 - All of the scriptures are God inspired. We cannot take away from them, nor add anything to them, and they must ALL harmonize, before we are to understand the truth in Jesus's doctrine.

Thayer's points out under 1) different uses of the word "perish" noted in a), b), c), d), e), & f). You chose to use e).

By using your choice, it must harmonize with ALL of the other scriptures. I am believing that d) "To declare that one must be but to death", is more in harmony, considering Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die, but if ye through the Spirit do MORTIFY=(put to death) the deeds of the body, ye shall live. The "YE" in verse 13, has reference to Paul's "BRETHREN" in verse 12.

The interpretation of 2 Pet 3:9, as I have explained it, holds true.

1 Tim 2;1 also holds true in harmony with the other scriptures, as I have explained it.

Be sure to consider all of the other scriptures in your interpretations. If you will include all of the scriptures they will fit together like a beautiful picture puzzle. In your desperation, you attempt to put thumb pressure on the ear of a piece of the puzzle (scripture) that has all of the right colors to try and force it to fit.

My advice for you is to consider all of the scriptures in harmony with each other.

Please note that 1 John 5:1 does not say "Whosoever is believing that Jesus is the Christ was born of God:" But "Whosoever is believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God."
This means that this text is not a poof text for either position. Believing could happen at the same time as being born of God, or being born again could happen before believing. The Greek text is not clear one way or the other.

John 3:16 ... that all those believing (pas ho pisteuOn) in him should not perish (at any moment during that time) [2nd aorist middle subjunctive], but should keep on having [Present active Subjunctive) aeonous life.

In other words, " ... that all those believing (pas ho pisteuOn) in him should not perish (at any moment during the time they are believing) [2nd aorist middle subjunctive], but should keep on having [Present active Subjunctive) aeonous life (during the time they are believing).

According to the Greek here, having aeonous life is a consequence of believing.
The Grek here does not indicate that believing is a consequence of having aeonous life.

Why are you ignoring Eph 2:2-3 ?

How do you exegete 1 Timothy 2:1 ?

1 Tim. 2 :1-7
I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them.

Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity.

This is good and pleases God our Savior,

who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth.

For, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus.

He gave his life to purchase freedom for everyone. This is the message God gave to the world at just the right time.

And I have been chosen as a preacher and apostle to teach the nations this message about faith and truth. I’m not exaggerating—just telling the truth.

Give me a scripture that is in harmony with your statement.

2 Tim 2:13 - If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself. When we are born again we are in Christ Jesus and he is in us.

I try not to ignore any of the scriptures, because they all have to harmonize to understand Christ's doctrine.

God's elect, even though Christ redeemed them from their sins on the cross, and promised them an eternal inheritance, are born into this world, by natural birth, as children of wrath, and at sometime in their life quickens them to a new spiritual life.

If a body part causes someone to sin, we are supposed to cut it off or pluck it out. This is not about salvation at all, but repentance. We are supposed to be productive. We can't wake ourselves from the dead, but after we are, it is once saved always "saved". No one who is alive is ever safe or saved.

But the Greek word soter means something which rescues without the need for salvage.

I believe the scriptures to teach that God has power over all of humanity (Dan 4:35) and that he accomplishes all of his will. God does not plan things, He purpose's things.

I believe God has given mankind the freedom to choose how they want to live their lives as they sojourn here in this world, and he saw that none would seek him, no, not one, both his elect (Eph 1:4) and those that are not his elect.

God gave his elect to his Son that he would redeem them from their sins on the cross, which he accomplished, and promised them an eternal inheritance (John 6:37-49).

1 Tim 2:1-4 - Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to charge some members of the church, that they should teach no other doctrine (1 Tim 1:3).

I believe the scriptures to teach that the elect (church) should obey those that have the rule over them as they sojourn here on earth, unless it conflicts with God' laws. The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:1, refers to those government men who have authority over them, that the church might lead a quit and peaceful life.

"Saved" in verse 4 means delivered, according to Greek translation. The "all men" in verse 4 refers to all of those men that are teaching another doctrine to be delivered from their ignorance of their knowledge of the truth.

There is a deliverance (salvation) here on earth, when a babe in Christ comes unto a knowledge of the truth. Another example of this is recorded in Rom 10:1-3.

No, yet believing is from having been given Christ's faith; Christ's faith from having been born again;
born again from having been saved; "aeonous life" from having been saved.

[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.