Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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For one thing it was not a "MAGA" rally, nor was it a campaign rally. You demonstrate your ignorance by your assumptions. It was a "Stop the Steal" rally. Many people, including some Democrats, were concerned about election integrity. The purpose of the rally was to express support for those questioning the election. I attended three prayer meetings, two outside of Mike Pence's residence.

Second, your argument that someone is questioning what you saw with your own eyes is pure hypocrisy. I was there for four days, and on Jan 6th I was there from 5am until after 1pm. How is my eyewitness testimony and first hand account assumed to be biased, while yours which is only what a clearly biased news network that has been telling you "orange man bad" for four years allowed you to see. It was highly edited.

Third the questions about it are obvious, so much so that anyone who doesn't ask them is intentionally choosing to close their eyes. The single biggest piece of evidence that the event was an "insurrection" was the pipe bomb yet for some reason the guy who planted the bomb has never been apprehended? That is absurd. There are so many cameras in DC it is hard if not impossible to believe they couldn't find him, especially now that the footage of him planting the bomb and then notifying police and Secret service has been made public. Also the most persuasive and convincing evidence that someone was instigating the event was all the video and tape we have on Ray Epps as well as his own admission that he orchestrated the whole thing, yet he gets community service while people not even in DC get 20 years?

With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.
One more thing, I saw video of people who were clearly violent, and intended to break into the capital. They were not part of the Stop the Steal rally. They had already assembled by the Capital while Trump hadn't even come out to speak over at the Whitehouse. These two places are a very long walk apart. No one who came to the rally left before Trump spoke, so these people set up over by Congress before he even started speaking.

In my opinion those people were Antifa, I had seen them at every rally. I can't prove it other than the Antifa members that have already been identified, including the guy who filmed Ashley Babbit being shot and killed.
 

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Are you saying that my eyes didn’t see what I saw?🤔You MAGA’S amaze me.🤷🏻🤷🤷🏾
what i do not have is mainstream media eyes, which despite your denials, you seem to have a bad case of it.

and i am maga, i am a truther.

trump did not orchestrate a coup. only a few dozen of the hundreds of arrests have been charged with insurrection...
 

gb9

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One more thing, I saw video of people who were clearly violent, and intended to break into the capital. They were not part of the Stop the Steal rally. They had already assembled by the Capital while Trump hadn't even come out to speak over at the Whitehouse. These two places are a very long walk apart. No one who came to the rally left before Trump spoke, so these people set up over by Congress before he even started speaking.

In my opinion those people were Antifa, I had seen them at every rally. I can't prove it other than the Antifa members that have already been identified, including the guy who filmed Ashley Babbit being shot and killed.
yes, the violence at the capital began while trump was speaking, so most of the stop the steal attenders were at the ellipse...
 

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I only pray for those that are running for office since it is HE that puts them in there. Hubby and I think that God put Biden in office to show us what time it is.... something a Rolex watch can't tell you. If HE puts him in again, we'll know why! We believe that 9/11/01 was the last straw to God and that HE has stopped blessing us as a nation. Unless ALL peoples repent... Everything that happens is supposed to.

Romans 13:1-2 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will, and sets up over it the basest of men. (Biden and his ilk)
Dan 4: 35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he does according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What are you doing?

Personally, as Paul said, I'd rather obey God rather than man.
 

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Had to laugh. After DeSantis dropped out, the best thing he could find to say about Trump was: "Trump is superior to Joe Biden." LOL That's not saying a lot.
 

ZNP

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Had to laugh. After DeSantis dropped out, the best thing he could find to say about Trump was: "Trump is superior to Joe Biden." LOL That's not saying a lot.
They* said he was going to run again when he turns 75, apparently an ideal age for American presidents.

*Babylon Bee
 

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what i do not have is mainstream media eyes, which despite your denials, you seem to have a bad case of it.

and i am maga, i am a truther.

trump did not orchestrate a coup. only a few dozen of the hundreds of arrests have been charged with insurrection...
Trump committed the unpardonable sin in American politics: he actually spoke the truth now and again.
Same goes for Assange....
 
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then look up some videos from on the ground from folks that were there.

like when the capital police started shooting flash bangs into the crowd, and that is when folks started to brawl with the police...
Where do I look up videos?If I can see It with my eyes then I will take It seriously otherwise It’s just more bluster from you and your Ilk.
 

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cv5

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You CHOOSE to be ignorant. Let’s see if you have integrity enough to watch the police attack people OUTSIDE the Capitol, well before anyone pushed back on the fascist police.
It does not take a lot of imagination to see that there is a "fifth column" embedded in the moneywerx.
First thing Trump needs to do is take out the alphabet agency trash.

He failed the first time (very discouraging and disconcerting). Will he finally pull out the whip of cords?
He had better because there is little time left for a course correction.
 

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It looked that way on tv to me.What you talkin bout willis?😂
Well, to be fair the word "raid" means to take something. Nobody took anything. :)

In my opinion harming the guards was wrong. Breaking anything to get in was wrong. Some folks were let in and protested inside. Depending on what they saw at the entrance, that may have been somewhere between ok to unwise. Overall, busting into the capital was just stupid and defiled whatever the message of the protest was.
 
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For one thing it was not a "MAGA" rally, nor was it a campaign rally. You demonstrate your ignorance by your assumptions. It was a "Stop the Steal" rally. Many people, including some Democrats, were concerned about election integrity. The purpose of the rally was to express support for those questioning the election. I attended three prayer meetings, two outside of Mike Pence's residence.

Second, your argument that someone is questioning what you saw with your own eyes is pure hypocrisy. I was there for four days, and on Jan 6th I was there from 5am until after 1pm. How is my eyewitness testimony and first hand account assumed to be biased, while yours which is only what a clearly biased news network that has been telling you "orange man bad" for four years allowed you to see. It was highly edited.

Third the questions about it are obvious, so much so that anyone who doesn't ask them is intentionally choosing to close their eyes. The single biggest piece of evidence that the event was an "insurrection" was the pipe bomb yet for some reason the guy who planted the bomb has never been apprehended? That is absurd. There are so many cameras in DC it is hard if not impossible to believe they couldn't find him, especially now that the footage of him planting the bomb and then notifying police and Secret service has been made public. Also the most persuasive and convincing evidence that someone was instigating the event was all the video and tape we have on Ray Epps as well as his own admission that he orchestrated the whole thing, yet he gets community service while people not even in DC get 20 years?

With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.
You DO know the difference In video that you can see and opinionated words don’t you?
 

ZNP

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You DO know the difference In video that you can see and opinionated words don’t you?
I have seen the videos.

While I was at the rally, standing near the Whitehouse I saw on the videos that these Antifa thugs were breaking into the capital. They were dressed for this attack whereas everyone at the rally was not, no face coverings, no back packs. I know that for everyone at that rally no one left before Trump spoke and yet these guys were set up and begin to break into the capital prior to and while Trump was speaking. I also know that every rally I went to there were Antifa thugs just like those guys.

Because I was there I know that Trump was delayed in speaking about 45 minutes, so the Antifa thugs began the breakin when the rally was supposed to end, apparently not realizing Trump hadn't started speaking yet.

I know that Ray Epps works for the deep state and by his own words "orchestrated" that attack. Yet for some reason it is Steve Bannon and many others that appear on Bannon's show that kept the pressure on until they finally charged him and prosecuted him, giving him "community service" while others who were not even at the rally got 20 years and were treated horribly in prison.

I know that the biggest criminal is the guy who planted a pipe bomb, the same guy it took three years of constant pressure before we got the video released of him planting the bomb and then going over and telling the Secret Service and the police. And yet for some reason they have never arrested this guy. A pipe bomb which strangely looks exactly like the pipe bombs that the police are trained on.

I know that people who were convicted of crimes were not given access to video that the government had of them which after seeing it exonerated them. That is a violation of the law and their rights as a defendant.

I also know that the people who are most sure about what happened are those who weren't there and are merely parroting whatever MSNBC tells them to say.

I also know that the person who is guilty of this attack is Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the Mayor of Washington DC. They refused to provide adequate security even though they had been advised, they refused to pass along relevant intelligence to the capital police and they arrested the Proud Boys, the security for the event the day before.

I also know that if Ashley Babbit had been black and was shot and killed during one of the 500 BLM riots she would have been front page news and they would have built a statue to her just like George Floyd. Instead there hasn't even been a trial of the cop to see all the evidence and determine if he acted appropriately or not.

I also know that the rhetoric over these events is absurd. This was not worse than 911 where 3,000 Americans died, nor is it worse than Pearl Harbor. AOC was never in any danger. Anyone who goes along with that absurd rhetoric is not someone you can talk to.
 

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I have seen the videos.

While I was at the rally, standing near the Whitehouse I saw on the videos that these Antifa thugs were breaking into the capital. They were dressed for this attack whereas everyone at the rally was not, no face coverings, no back packs. I know that for everyone at that rally no one left before Trump spoke and yet these guys were set up and begin to break into the capital prior to and while Trump was speaking. I also know that every rally I went to there were Antifa thugs just like those guys..
Yup. Fifth column agitators/troopers. Exactly what you would expect from a commie takeover or similar.
 

ZNP

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Yup. Fifth column agitators/troopers. Exactly what you would expect from a commie takeover or similar.
I have waited till we had the evidence because prior to this it would have seemed like denial of the truth, but I have felt this was the most likely explanation since Jan 6th and just waiting for them to release the video from the Capital. Don't know why it took them almost 3 years to release the video.
 

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Don't know why it took them almost 3 years to release the video.
Of course you know the reason. The RINOs were on the side of the Commies trying to suppress the truth, and also subvert it. And this article shows that the J6 Select Committee was bound and determined to make the patriots out to be insurrectionists, and Trump as the instigator of an insurrection.
Jan. 6 Committee Deleted Over 100 Encrypted Files Days Before GOP Took Majority
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...re-100-encrypted-files-days-gop-took-majority

And now that the Supreme Court has supported liar and traitor Joe Biden in approving the destruction of the Texas border, they actually betrayed the Constitution. the rule of law, and the United States of America. Clay Higgins has said that this means deiliberately provoking a civil war. So in fact there should have been a genuine insurrection.
 

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Of course you know the reason. The RINOs were on the side of the Commies trying to suppress the truth, and also subvert it. And this article shows that the J6 Select Committee was bound and determined to make the patriots out to be insurrectionists, and Trump as the instigator of an insurrection.
Jan. 6 Committee Deleted Over 100 Encrypted Files Days Before GOP Took Majority
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...re-100-encrypted-files-days-gop-took-majority

And now that the Supreme Court has supported liar and traitor Joe Biden in approving the destruction of the Texas border, they actually betrayed the Constitution. the rule of law, and the United States of America. Clay Higgins has said that this means deiliberately provoking a civil war. So in fact there should have been a genuine insurrection.
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Over 200 fbi agents went in as "insurrectionists" to instigate more trouble. It's not bad enough that Biden and his ilk are in office, now he's trying to rid this country of TRUE AMERICANS (not discounting the indigenous folk that were here before they were invaded by brittan.) And oh... don't go buyin' a Bible anywhere... or a gun... cuz our bank accounts are being watched for key words like "bible", "Christian", and a list of other items!
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Over 200 fbi agents went in as "insurrectionists" to instigate more trouble. It's not bad enough that Biden and his ilk are in office, now he's trying to rid this country of TRUE AMERICANS (not discounting the indigenous folk that were here before they were invaded by brittan.) And oh... don't go buyin' a Bible anywhere... or a gun... cuz our bank accounts are being watched for key words like "bible", "Christian", and a list of other items!

And they say Trump is dangerous and a dictator. smh