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God has been working with Israel ever since her inception and shall continue to do so till the very end. This is not difficult to grasp. The Word of God continually reminds us that we, as well as Israel, must abide in the vine. This is not exclusive to any particular book in either OT or New.

I’m sorry I don’t understand what your saying

“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,

when they behold the beast that was,

and is not,

and yet is.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look at chapter 13 now and what’s happening



“And there are seven kings: five are fallen,( past )

and one is,( present )

and the other is not yet come; ( future from johns perspective ) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was,

and is not,

even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yeah but how come you won’t accept the scripture and talk about what they clearly say ? Would you find out something different ? Would that be a bad thing to learn something that’s really clear and repetetive in the Bible of you didn’t think it already ?

It is frightening to think of whatever else might have sunk into your soft head. An imagination wild and free have thee.

What I'm saying is ,it's not Jerusalem(the prostitute) that kills the two witnesses.

Mathew 23:37
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.


It's not the prostitute that kills these particular prophets.Its her enemies that kill them.

Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.


The two prophets were trying to protect the prostitute from the beast from the abyss.The beast from the abyss attacks and kills the two witnesses and then burn the prostitute with fire.



If these two witnesses of Jesus were doing what they should be doing,then the prostitute would have killed them.

Mathew 23
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:


Jerusalem does not persecuted and kill the two prophets in revelation 11.Her enemies do.


Have you ever seen an evangelical in love with a prostitute?

The word sinks in.


Proverbs 6

26 For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adultress will hunt for the precious life.

27 Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?






Revelation 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.



I would hate to be in their place.

You are confusing yourself and others. Does Christ send out angels at the Rapture or does He come PERSONALLY? Why don't you go by what is actually in Scripture (and it is very precise). Now take note carefully:

AT THE RAPTURE: THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND PERSONALLY
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1 Thess 4:16)

AT THE SECOND COMING: THE LORD WILL SEND FORTH HIS ANGELS
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Mt 24:31)

There is no mention of "the dead in Christ" or a resurrection in Matthew 24:31. However , there is a mention of "His elect". So who are these people? They are the BELIEVING REMNANT OF ISRAEL. They are all the Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ after His Second Coming.

The end is yet future. The Lord is not yet finished with His people.

The Lord descends when he comes in the clouds after the tribulation.

Jesus does not say he descends in the clouds before the tribulation as you say he does.He said he will come in the clouds after the tribulation.That is when the CARCASE will be gathered by the eagles.Not before.


Mathew 24

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other


Can you not see the words after the tribulation?
Why do you keep contradicting Jesus?

In the end it appears he redeems about 2 percent of the population of Israel.
The majority worship the beast of Babylon.

Every soul matters to the Lord.

Now he absolutely isn’t finished with his people these are his people

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his children

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

……For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-29‬ ‭

those are his people who he isn’t finished with yet it doesn’t matter if it’s an Israelite of the tribes of Benjamin like Paul who accepted the gospel and was baptized into Christ Jesus , or a gentile who hears and accepts the gospel of the kingdom of God and believes


It is not about the old covenant promises those are fulfilled the culmination was the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple

“the remnant “ we’re those left after the destruction of Jerusalem who were scattered into all nations by time after they besieged for three years and then destroyed jerusalem and it’s temple leaving by hebokd covensnt void because the tenoke is necassary for the priestly ordinances to be performed without sacrificing nknals and sorinking the blood seven times in the mercy seat on the ark , thier covenant has no atonement they broke the covenant this covenant

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:


and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why he’s saying what he’s saying in Ezekiel brother they did that very thing for generations and he called then to repent and he offered forgivness to them and mercy but they wouldn’t accept it his way they said “ he’ll never keep the word of the warnings he’ll never destroy us like he warns we’re chosen ! Eat drink and be merry “

all the while dear brother he was sending his prophets calling them to repentance repenting the warnings of Jerusalems doom if they wouldn’t repent …..yoye right this relate through the old testsment but they never did thier part finally he sent the messiah who was the last the end the culmination of tbier promises of salvstion and they would t hear what he said

tbis is because God blinded them around 600 bc because of rhier rebellion for ages before that ignoring his warnings

the truth is he finally came with salvation and they rejected him and because of that everyone israel and all other nations now are part of a new covenant made with them by Jesus and sent to us when Jesus told them to do preach the things he taught them to all people baptizing them because he was now glorified and the only way for any man Israeli or gentile to be saved one way is the gospel one name is Jesus now

If any israelite accepts the same gospel now they’ll be save the same way as you or I

the difference is the old testsment is now a curse because of rejecting Christ they have to repent and turn to the gospel they aren’t bad as a people or anything I’m actually a quarter Israeli according to my dna so what I’m saying is the earthly nation that exists now is not where God or his people are they are in his heavenly kingdom

In tbe end when he returns everything is going to be destroyed prophecy still sorroinds jerusalem but not in the same way any ore because of the curses in the law bieng fulfilled. Think of Jews since the Jewish dispersia after Jerusalem destruction …..

in the very end of time when Christ returns he’s coming for everyone not anyone based on thier flesh and blood

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 12-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods people are anyone who believes in Jesus according to the gospel that we have from God not only one nation they are included with us because we are included with them we are one people now with all nations everyone has the same path it’s Jesus and the gospel that’s all I’m saying he’s not coming back to re establish the Old Testament order that’s been crumbled for about 2000 years now

Yep

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Same for us all jew or gentile thanks to Jesus like the remnant of Israel who accepted him and were sent into the nations to preach the gospel to Jew and gentile alike

“What I'm saying is ,it's not Jerusalem(the prostitute) that kills the two witnesses.”

agreed

“It's not the prostitute that kills these particular prophets.Its her enemies that kill them.”

agreed the same who attack and kill her leaving her naked because of her whoredoms , is the one who ends the two witnesses testimony

“The two prophets were trying to protect the prostitute from the beast from the abyss”

agreed Christs two witnesses who are prophets are warning the woman but because her nature is a prostitute she’s not listening to them they arent able to save her because they are rejected by her she won’t listen they are just happy when the two witnesses are dead and caught up to heaven

“Jerusalem does not persecuted and kill the two prophets in revelation 11.Her enemies do.”

yes of course they are killed In Her streets and they celebrate it but then they are taken from the earth and up to God

i think I have a very different thought about the two witnesses tha. You but I agree with a lot of what your saying there yes the prostitute didn’t kill the two witnesses she rejects them and the beast from revelation 13 and 17 kills them just before the messiah takes all the power and we see the son of man
Be born and then caught up to God and his throne

Forgot to mention it’s been awhile and it’s always a pleasure to see and hear from you brother

Even after you are shown the difference you persist in talking about "after the tribulation". There is no connection between the Tribulation and the Resurrection/Rapture. In fact it would be ABSURD to even imagine that scenario. Yet you persist in your nonsensical beliefs, so I have nothing more to say to you.

Scripture does not say the two witnesses warn anyone.Scripture does not say the preach the gospel nor does it say they do anything good.

Scripture only says they kill people by saying "fire" and they torment people.

That is all it says.

I agree it’s the only reason gentiles can know about Jesus throughbosraels remnant who believed in the messiah during Jerusalems tribulation

Jesus is where the focus needs to be he was born an Israelite and is Abraham’s true seed that’s all I’m Saying brother the entire early church was persecuted terribly by forst jerusalem through Paul and then by rome when Nero blamed them for burning rome Paul’s epistles many were written from prison awaiting his execution for his spreading the gospel it’s because they were being persecuted even before Jerusalem was destroyed james is killed in scriptire peter is told by Jesus he would be crucified in 70 ad I don’t think a lot of or will look back to see what happened to the Jews and the church including the remnant remaining that was dispersed into the nations carrying the law and gospel what we know as the Bible

Ahh alright maybe I don’t have the agreement with you I thought I did but lol who knows

what is it it that witnesses and prophets do ?

The saints are told they will be persecuted in Mathew 24 before Christ comes.
Jesus does not tell them he will come and gather them before their tribulation.



Mathew 24

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Whats absurd is you saying Jesus comes and raptures these saints before they are afflicted and before they are killed .