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Christ said to render not evil for evil.If someone smites you on one cheek,offer them the other.These two witnesses kill anyone who tries to hurt them.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Jesus taught to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.Thesr two prophets torment other people .The toment is so bad everyone is joyful to see them dead.Si much joy after do much torment.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Here is a list of commandments Jesus gives his witnesses.
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
These two prophets kill and torment other people which is in violation of these commandments Jesus gives them.Atva time when people are persecuted and kill for their testimony of Jesus and for not worshiping the beast or taking its mark,these two prophets are killed because they kill and torment people.Whee does Jesus command his witnesses(us) to hurt anyone anywhere in the gospel?
I didn't say the beast doesn't have a kingdom.It has one today and is reigning now in Jerusalem.
It no longer has a kingdom after it is given to Christ at the sound of the seventh Trump.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
It no longer has a kingdom after it is given to Christ at the sound of the seventh Trump.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
You can't answer with a number - because the text of Revelation 8:13 says only three woes to the inhabiters of the earth - not four.
The first two woes, John was already shown what they be in Revelation 9, by trumpets 5 and 6 sounding. The text of Revelation 9 doesn't call them woes to the inhabiters of the earth. But it is known by trumpets 5 and 6 sounding.
Differently, the third woe is specifically indicated in the text of Revelation 12;12 as Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea. The reason the sea is included is because of the impact of third woe length i.e. the time, times, half time will also affect all life in the sea. Whereas the first two woes shown to john affect specifically humans.
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i also referred to the difference in the crowns/no crowns on the 7 heads and 10 horns in Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 to prove your scenario, interpretation, and order of timeframes as false. But you have not responded, probably because you have no explanation without violating your view.
in the Revelation 17:12 and Revelation 17:17, the ten kings rule with the beast for one hour (the 42 months). That's why there are crowns on the ten horns in Revelation 13, which has the 42 months of the beast rule in Revelation 13:5.
Differently, in Revelation 12, which has the 7 years in it, the ten horns do not have crowns - because there are 7 years in the text, and the person does not rule as the beast (for the tens horns to rule with him) until there are only 42 months left (Revelation 13).
Revelation 12 (7 years in the chapter)
7 heads - crowns
10 horns - no crowns
Revelation 13 (42 months in the chapter)
7 heads - no crowns
10 horns - crowns
The first two woes, John was already shown what they be in Revelation 9, by trumpets 5 and 6 sounding. The text of Revelation 9 doesn't call them woes to the inhabiters of the earth. But it is known by trumpets 5 and 6 sounding.
Differently, the third woe is specifically indicated in the text of Revelation 12;12 as Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea. The reason the sea is included is because of the impact of third woe length i.e. the time, times, half time will also affect all life in the sea. Whereas the first two woes shown to john affect specifically humans.
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i also referred to the difference in the crowns/no crowns on the 7 heads and 10 horns in Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 to prove your scenario, interpretation, and order of timeframes as false. But you have not responded, probably because you have no explanation without violating your view.
in the Revelation 17:12 and Revelation 17:17, the ten kings rule with the beast for one hour (the 42 months). That's why there are crowns on the ten horns in Revelation 13, which has the 42 months of the beast rule in Revelation 13:5.
Differently, in Revelation 12, which has the 7 years in it, the ten horns do not have crowns - because there are 7 years in the text, and the person does not rule as the beast (for the tens horns to rule with him) until there are only 42 months left (Revelation 13).
Revelation 12 (7 years in the chapter)
7 heads - crowns
10 horns - no crowns
Revelation 13 (42 months in the chapter)
7 heads - no crowns
10 horns - crowns
I've answered your questions now you answer one for me.
How do the people who worshiped the image of the beast and recieved it's mark recieve a sore before you say the beast reigns?
The bowls of God's wrath are poured out before the trumpets are blown.You claim the beast reigns for 42 months after the seventh Trump is blown but the people who received the mark are inflicted long before the seventh Trump.
Revelation 16:2
The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Why is your timing backward?
PS
The same kingdom under heaven the beast rules over will be given to the saints of God and they will reign with Christ.
Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
This kingdom becomes Christs at the sound of the seventh Trump.The saints shall reign there will Christ during the millinium as Christ promised .The beast will be history at that point
Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
The same kingdom under heaven the beast rules over will be given to the saints of God and they will reign with Christ.
Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
This kingdom becomes Christs at the sound of the seventh Trump.The saints shall reign there will Christ during the millinium as Christ promised .The beast will be history at that point
Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
The person becomes the beast before the 42 months of his reign - absent the two witness who will be gone - begins.
The image of the beast, i.e. the abomination of desolation statue image, will be setup on the temple mount 1335 days before jesus returns.
You never addressed the crowns/no crowns difference between Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 of the ten horns. That difference proves that there are 7 years regarding Revelation 12:6 followed by the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.
Your scenario and order of timeframes falsely packs all of the timeframes together to form only half of the 7 years.
No, the first four trumpet judgments come first - then the bowl judgments. in trumpet 1 a third of the trees are burnt up. In trumpet 2 a third of the creatures of sea die.
The bowls of the wrath of God are then poured out intensifying the judgments. in bowl 2, all life in the sea dies.
The reign of the beast for 42 months begins when the two witnesses are killed ending their 1260 days in Revelation 11. At the start of the 42 months, the seventh trumpet sounds, and third woe of Satan's time, times, half time left begins.
The image of the beast, i.e. the abomination of desolation statue image, will be setup on the temple mount 1335 days before jesus returns.
You never addressed the crowns/no crowns difference between Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 of the ten horns. That difference proves that there are 7 years regarding Revelation 12:6 followed by the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.
Your scenario and order of timeframes falsely packs all of the timeframes together to form only half of the 7 years.
No, the first four trumpet judgments come first - then the bowl judgments. in trumpet 1 a third of the trees are burnt up. In trumpet 2 a third of the creatures of sea die.
The bowls of the wrath of God are then poured out intensifying the judgments. in bowl 2, all life in the sea dies.
The reign of the beast for 42 months begins when the two witnesses are killed ending their 1260 days in Revelation 11. At the start of the 42 months, the seventh trumpet sounds, and third woe of Satan's time, times, half time left begins.
So you believe the dead in Christ are raised at the last Trump before the beast has killed them?
Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
1 corinth 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
This earth is going to become the lake of fire where the ungodly are punished and burned up
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7-13 KJV
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; ( beasts kingdom tbat we’ve seen being destroyed throughout the book ) and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
That’s the kingdom we inherit
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7-13 KJV
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; ( beasts kingdom tbat we’ve seen being destroyed throughout the book ) and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
That’s the kingdom we inherit
The beast and false prophet are cast into the late of fire.first.
The new heaven and new earth in revelation is after the millinium.
The saints reign on earth during the millinium before Gog invades at the end of the millinium.
Your about 1000 years off.If you thought the day of the Lord was after he millinium then your going to be stunned in about 5 years when the beast is destroyed and the world is still here for another 1000 years before Gog decides to do his thing.
What????
You don't hold the biblical last trump view?
So how do you explain the beast killing immortals?At the last Trump the saints become immortal,yet you believe the beast will kill them after the Trump sounds.How can that be?
Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
1 corinth 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
The last trumpet in 1Corinthians15:52 is not the 7th trumpet of Revelation 10:7.
The trumpet in 1Corinthians15:52 is a heavenly sounded trumpet, called the last trumpet because it was prefigured by two trumpets sounding in Numbers 10:5-6 of two different camps ( which in the case of the rapture/resurrection would be the dead in Christ and the living in Christ).
Then when gathered together, the last trumpet sounds in verse 7.
Numbers 10:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
5 When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
6 When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.
7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm.
The trumpet in 1Corinthians15:52 is a heavenly sounded trumpet, called the last trumpet because it was prefigured by two trumpets sounding in Numbers 10:5-6 of two different camps ( which in the case of the rapture/resurrection would be the dead in Christ and the living in Christ).
Then when gathered together, the last trumpet sounds in verse 7.
Numbers 10:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
5 When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
6 When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.
7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm.
yeah your reading the book as if it’s an epistle or a linear timeline Ofnkiteral events . I don’t think we’re going to agree ,
that’s not how I see the book at all it’s an apocalypse , not an epistle
I think just the difference in the perspective isn’t going to be able to harmonize between us not saying your wrong or anything I don’t see the book of revelation as you do it don’t see it in a literal sense of actual earthly events that we’re given Actual periods of time to measure and calculate I see the book as an apocalypse. Not a linear account of future events .
i appreciate the time but don’t think we see the book the same to begin with is why it’s not coming together
that’s not how I see the book at all it’s an apocalypse , not an epistle
I think just the difference in the perspective isn’t going to be able to harmonize between us not saying your wrong or anything I don’t see the book of revelation as you do it don’t see it in a literal sense of actual earthly events that we’re given Actual periods of time to measure and calculate I see the book as an apocalypse. Not a linear account of future events .
i appreciate the time but don’t think we see the book the same to begin with is why it’s not coming together
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You believe the last Trump is a heavenly trump but you believe the 7th Trump which is the last Trump of the bible in which the temple in heaven is opened is an earthly Trump?
Do say.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Do say.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
These two are God's prophets. They are utilizing the power of God and not their own powers. When Ananias lied to Peter he was not lying to Peter but to God and died. This was not Peter's power but the power that comes from God. The people being tormented from the prophets is just the evil cast onto the two prophets being sent back to the evil doers.
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It's not that hard to understand .The beast and the false prophet are cast into a lake of fire before the millinium and Satan is placed in a pit.Satan is released after the millinium and goes out to decieve all the nations that were not destroyed before the millinium.Afterward Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
These things correspond to prophecies in the bible concerning the same events.The ten nations and the beast don't accompany Gog ,Persia, Ethiopia and Lybia in their invasion of Christs kingdom though because the land they once lived in became Christs kingdom just as Daniel 7 shows.
Daniel Ezekiel Revelation all agree and as Daniel wrote,it's the kingdom.under heaven that is given to the saints.
Under heaven....
Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
These things correspond to prophecies in the bible concerning the same events.The ten nations and the beast don't accompany Gog ,Persia, Ethiopia and Lybia in their invasion of Christs kingdom though because the land they once lived in became Christs kingdom just as Daniel 7 shows.
Daniel Ezekiel Revelation all agree and as Daniel wrote,it's the kingdom.under heaven that is given to the saints.
Under heaven....
Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
So your saying they are given authority by God to disobey his only son and their master whom God has given all authority too?
Mathew 28:18
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
So why do you believe God has taken all authority away from Christs servants don't have to obey him?
Mathew 28:18
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
So why do you believe God has taken all authority away from Christs servants don't have to obey him?
The last trumpet is a heavenly trumpet when compared to the trumpets sounding Numbers 10 for the children of Israel to journey to the next camp, which were earthly trumpets sounded..
Paul in 1Corinthians15:52 was writing from his Jewish background. The last trumpet had to do with moving the camp of the children of Israel while they were in the wilderness.
Paul in 1Corinthians15:52 was writing from his Jewish background. The last trumpet had to do with moving the camp of the children of Israel while they were in the wilderness.
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