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The idea of a rapture as it is currently defined is not found in historic Christianity, and is a relatively recent doctrine originating from the 1830s. The term is used frequently among fundamentalist theologians in the United States.

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I believe the word, rapture, is quite accurate describing when our Savior sends out His angels to brung up firs thowe who are asleep tn second all who are yet alive in the flesh.
This fits the action of the angels, this word, for they are rapturing us up to our blessed King.

The problem for many is putting the word, the, in front of it each time it is brought up. Perhaps it would be better if people would say, when we are raptured up to our blessed Lord.

. Well you know I wonder about the flood too

Where did all the people go when they died before the flood baring in mind the commandments had not been given.

Should you just believe there where only 3 sons of noah and there wifes who where the only righteous people left ?

Surely Good people must have been killed by the line of Cain plus Cain was allowed to go free for the crime of murder

But baring in mind these good people where not under any commandments either, so where did they go.

But it's a tough question

I like to believe there has been a major rapture event already how about you 🤔

so do you know where the word rapture originates from or is believed to have originated from. 😊

Friendly question 😋

Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

Although this first "death and hell" is not the Lake of Fire, it still does not seem to be very "tranquil".

Luke 16:
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Listen carefully

I never said the Hades was the sea of tranquility

Yep yep yep yep

Two seas

Sea of Hades Torture

sea for those who where sleeping in peace sea of tranquility


my best friend chose to see my miss typo of something else

get it man

That is a very regular thing that people use to dismiss the event itself you could also argue that the word harpazo is the correct term but the event itself is spoken of and hinted all throughout scripture but it is like I said on another thread if translation dictates what God is saying then we aren't listening even those who argue how scripture is missing from certain versions if Gods word is so powerless that interpretation doctrine translation man made things decides what the spirit says then it is just ink and paper and is not truly the actual word of God to people

We don't hear him from such things as I always say the spirit speaks to the spirit and the word of God to me regardless of those things is the very same mighty voice that spoke existance into being. and I am always talking about it is disgusting how his word is so mistreated and so casually used and it angers me just thinking about it because it is just that sacred and you know not even just scriptures I have been on youtube seeing how many so called prophets are speaking the same voice and I have seen so many in particular speaking on spouse that according to them is a(prophetic word)

and I make it a point to let them know that more than anyone will be held accountable for every lamb they lead astray because he is not speaking about spouses of course my words go unheard even by those I plead to not be lead astray by such people just like on here I am sure people ignore me but I speak believing that surely what was said if he is creating a garden and bringing people into a realm with him and his kingdom that goes way beyond the norm then it must have been meant for someone even if only one or two people

thanks brother alway nice to talk to but I'm going to post a thread, of how Christian evangelists have cause the death of millions of Christian with there interpretation of the rapture.

Then hopefully you will understand how false it is 😊

The word rapture was translated from the greek world harpazo which actually means snatch away or to seize,

See buddy

Now I will post the types of Christian evangelist who promote the rapture.

the rapture has already happened bro 😊

Now I will go to the evils of claim it hasn't happened in my next thread.

I will title the new thread The evil rapture and the evil evangelists.

@Blain I believe the rapture started happening at the cross 😊.

But it's not a rapture it is more like a journey 😊

I would like to you a dream I had when I was in the er amd would like to know your take on it. I was outside and a giant portal opened up in the sky and I and many others suddenly had crinsion wings of fire and we all flew into the portal as if the wings had a mind of their own. once we went through we were in a river living water glowing azure life fill water like a water slide the joy was so amazing as we went down this river and we enetered into another world on a beach and at the waters edge it was night time but it was so serene and peaceful the grass itself was so deep green and like silk on our feet there was a big cabin and there stood Jesus waiting for us. Everyone was happy and I looked back at the beach intentionally staying away because I didn't want to go back to the place I was Jesus went around speaking with everyone it was a massive family reuinion

I kept seeking him out because I wanted to ask him if I could keep my promise to him but he kept slipping away as if he already knew what I was going to ask right after we all were to go into this forest for training of some in there it was mesmorizing things that your eyes could not handle on this side there were these creautres there that looked kind of like peackocks but they were strange abnormal instead of feathers they had thin silky fur their colors varied and on each feather of their tails they had blinking eyes I was freaked out at first but the peackoc creatures were actually very motherly and gentle I don't know what training we did in there but we came out different.

Then I was taken to a massive cliff that looked like it was made of ice or at least it was the color of it I and one other person were hanging on the edge of cliff as if about to fall I managed to lift myself up and tried to help this other person up but he was to heavy and I cried out for God to give me the strength and I actually didn't know my strength was it was given and tossed him over my head to safety then a man appeared and said I was able to because I didn't just look through the window of faith I don't know what that meant though.

Then we were outside again and there was another man there with a book in his hands that had every detail of every person.
Now I have always struggled with self confidence always seen myself as weak bu he opened the book and said I was strong not just strong but fiery strong and suddenly what he said I was.

looking towards the beach it was turning into sunrise and then out of the sky and this is where it gets odd a giant face of a bull appeared with an army of demons contrary to my nature I was so confident I actually used my finger towards the bull in a motion saying come on then it wouldn't come so I leapts into the sky ignoring all minor demons heading strait to the big cheese and with one punch smashed it's face in

There is no doubt in my mind this was a rapture dream but if it isn't what do you say about it what do you think this was? and honestly I cannot say I fully understand it I am hardly able to interpret my own dreams

There was another one I had just as fascinating but this is a long post as it is. But if this was a rapture dream how was it evil?

sounds like an interesting thread 🧵 let me know when its done ✅


also we could be living in the rapture and why is it written like we are trying to figure out if it already happened

thanks bro 😎

yes that's what I'm saying we could be living in the rapture 😂

I had a similar dream brother, but 3 years ago my Partner had a vision she saw billions of crosses coming down from the sky whilst awake

And angels every where in her dream just days before.

Then I saw on another occasion lights shooting up and down from the sky all over as far as the eye could see whilst awake like up to the horizon. 😊 After my dream of going through a tunnel to another world. 😂

It's just to much of a coincidence 😂

I just wanted to let you know I have not been igoring you my stomach has been so horrible of course as soon as I come on here it just happens to start acting up I have been so drained and weak spending almost all my time bed just to get some strength back but I have also been using this to spend time with him I never let my troubles go to waste and what you daid here only confirms what I said before


even in my state he has been using me I keep saying to everyone I encoiunter or talk to that he siad to me there is a spark that is going to lead to the grand finale and at the time I felt like a wet dog left out in the cold and rain malnirished and sick but when he spoke this my body came alive the excitment and joy made me leap pout and dance in my room

Something is coming something that will defy the way the world works and our reality I don't know what is or when it is but I know that for all who would dare to believe the reward will be beyond what we can comprehend abd you know the state I am in and I haven't even expressed much of I am dealing with yet I say this with joy and confidence when I have no reason to considering everything I said on here from the beginning no one believing or listening being attacked called a false prophet a false teacher and with life beating me down so brutely

Yet if it isn't clear to everyone that something different is going on how I can be so brutely beaten down and worn out but I still say these things even though I struggle just to have the energy to come online well if this isn't enough to have people understand I am not just delusional and the fact I can go through all of this yet look at the hope I have then well it is their loss I have tasted and seen the real thing I spoke of everything I learned experience I was open with my intentions my suffering my lessons and things i saw first hand for myself not because I was a prophet but because I was willing that is it


I have been wondering about how IO said I was the spark yet seemingly I reached very few people but I have been wondering if persaph my suffering and this journey is the testimony that will be that spark

One thing about me is that I seek to be strong but only so that I can stregthen others I am one of bonds there is a reason why I can write a poem and somehow understand and express what others feel and hide inside I don't speak about these things for imprtance or to be seen
I only want to give life to have people come to him in a way where not just miricles happen but to be in that fascination of him that glory and brilliance just thinking about his wonder what would this be like what is this aspect of him that seems to be diffwerent than the rest of him could we even handle a small amount on this side?

So I do what I can I am always willing always listening always searching and honestly if people cannot see what God and I are doing and they stay in the state they are in then trust me they will miss out big time because like I said he is up to something and this isn't a bus we want to miss

hey you know I remember the time you brought word from the lord that the church needs to step up and be counted.

Whilst some took it as word to examine them self's, some took it as an insult.

I took it as the lord giving you a seed a plant.

I also took it that prophecy still exists for the church, and still very much alive.

I believe we as Christians are still under a redemptive plan, and part of that plan is to so seeds from one brother to another through personal prophecy 😊

some of these seeds will flourish others will be met with a task, and others will so discord between brothers.

I myself have been through a major examination, and myself personally and i may not have taken this message fully to my heart at first, because I did at one stage not listen to a prophetic warning you gave, but I do now.

I have learnt a lesson that I should take messages for the church as a message that is just as much for me as it is for anyone else,

Patience is something I am going to work on,

The problem is I feal is one of pride and those who see themself's as more qualified than others, but i go with the idea that even those with the faith the size of a mustard seed, could one day really suprise me, and far surpass my patience.

Yes thank you the seeds that is the imprtant part and I am so thankful for you bot only can I express freely with you everything he has given taught and shown me but I don't have to fear any kind of attack or netagive vibe from you if I had someone like you in my circle of people I woulds be so much stronger so more capabable it is not in my nature to be confident even when I speak what I do I always go as my hearts speaks not by what I am or where I stand I honestly see myself as lower than the dirt the worms eat and that it is not being humble it is just a constant struggle I always deal with always feeling like a screw up always questioning if I spoke out of turn as anything spoken from him to me is so sacred and treasured that it would destoy me if I\if I even once claimed to speak for him and it wasn't and clearly I am not afraid to speak my heart and thoughts but at the same time my greatest pain my greatest regret is that what if I was all talk? I mean yes I can tell you so much about him about his kingdom you can study the scriptures all you want but when you actually get the real thing something that shocks you changes you the absolute wonder glory and connection we can actually have with him the depth of it all even being a writer as I am I could never begin to express who he is it is beyonf words and oh if my soul could could exoress it all to the entire body how he is way more so much more so much deeper his kingdom his loive his heart I wish more than anything I could somehow expell from my soul all I have attained oh the tears that would be shed simply from the affection and deep deep love for his heart when that is all you see when you close your eyes/

however with all this I have been attacked and beaten down by life the enemy and otgher Chrtistians I don't expect peoploe to understand the power words have on here I have spoken of it so many times and I am beaten and broken from it all I made my intentions clear I was honest in everything but I do not have any strenght left and in loving my planting the seeds of the kingdom how I would wiat at his door for the next mission so eagerly it comes at a cost and if the body of Christ themselves are the ones who take you down especially for someone like me who all their lives have just been taken advasntage never heard or understood who has known pain suffering in almost every flavor how abso0lutley cruel and unfair life can really be but I speak of things that by all means should be cpnvientional knowledge because faith can make anything possible yet it seems noone axtually believes this and everything I speak of is so bizzare that I am unheard ignored or attacked

I mean one thing I hold dear is when Jesus himself speaks and if you call tghe bible the word of god then whe he speaks especially you either believe him or not no interpretation nothing added or taken away like when he said anything is possible with faith how he said it only takes the faith of a mustard seed and how he and the apostles simply asked and recieved all that fish and bread I didn't see any other conditions spoken no oh it is is his time or any other excuse given either what he said is truth or not you believe or you don't when he asked there was no conditions no limitation and he proved his own words if we who call the bible the word of God cannot even naccept this and we just add conditions then I would say try to image him spea

I don't know why but this site is always lagging a lot for me but it wouldn't let me finnishe my post in fact I thought it didn't recieve my ost at all it is only this thite that does it but I wanted to say imagine him speaking to you face to face everything in his word he sayts would anyone have the nerve to try to interpret add oir take away from what he speaks to you face to face? we actually think we understand when we so casually treat his word but if you did this to him face to face in his actual presence it would be differen't you would have to have either the arrogance of satan or balls of steel to even try to apeak your own reception of what he says and this is why I constantly speak bad of how we use and mistreat his word I have been in his presence merely his kingship you dare not look at him your body trembles but in a good way you understand the fear of the rd yet you welcome it it not of fear but reverence you gladly say to him I am under your feet but yet to so many his word is just ink and paper it is so easy to cherry pick so easy to fit into what yopu believe is truth and all it does is cause division confusion it is about intepretation where you stand what you beluieve but if this is the word of God the very same breath who created you yet study his word and treat it as something you can add on to or take way how you on;y accept what fits into your denomination your beleifs of what truth is then yeah it is not the word of God to you I would love to see anyone face to face to him saying the things they say

If I can ask what prophetic did I give to you that actually made a difference? I only ask because I need to know that it wasn't in vain that my willingness and the words I spoke actually had any effect at all I suppose that is my greatest issue it isn't that I don't believe he knows how to use my willingness to speak but what has damaged me the most is how it seems it was all in vain I can be called a false prophet
i can be attacked but if everything I said and did was just all talk if nothing comes of it then I accept everything said of me but inside it just feels so real so true not just from all the times he literally came into my room but I need to know that at least someone came into the kingdom that goes way beyond what we accept as the kingdom I mean how can one not have such a excitment and fascination for him to to cry out from the depth of your soul to have him to know him to be in him and I mean IN him

i became a better person in patience, and in discernment. I also came to understand the importance of God's word a whole lot better, and I would say you probably helped me to deal with criticism a whole lot better in my life , and how to respond to it. And you opened my eyes to more important things in life and helped to decipher between false teachings and good teachings 👍