Spiritual Baptism

Precious friend, there are Severe problems with Mis-understanding:


1) Noah’s type {figurative} baptism (Genesis 6:13, 7:23; 1 Peter 3:20-21).
Peter, the apostle to the circumcision [Jews] (Galatians 2:8), writes to the
“elect strangers” (1 Peter 1:1-2), And mentions to them that eight people
were “saved by water!”

2. Baptism unto Moses (Exodus 14:29; 1 Corinthians 10:2).
Paul presents Israel’s baptism unto Moses “in the cloud and in the sea!”
Saving “baptism” or spiritual “identification” with God’s leader of HIS people?


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(Israel's various washings! Greek: Baptismos = Hebrews 9:10):

3a. Israel’s ceremonial cleansings
(Exodus 19:14, 30:17-21; Leviticus 11:25; Numbers 19:13).
These cleansing rituals were required under the Mosaic Law
for the cleansing of the people.


3b. Traditional Jewish baptisms
(Matthew 15:2; Mark 7:3; Luke 11:38).
These washings were Not mandated under the Law,
but were part of Jewish tradition.

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4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus 29:4;
Leviticus 8:6; Numbers 8:7!). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First being: "NO blemish!" (Leviticus 21:21!)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!


Is this baptism in any way connected To water baptism # 9?

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JESUS’ Various Baptisms:

5. JESUS’ Baptism (Identification With/Immersed) Into
the human race, By HIS Birth! (Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 2:5-20!).
6. JESUS’ water Baptism by John (Matthew 3:13-17;
Mark 1:9-11!). JESUS, Who Knew NO sin, Was Baptized by John
to Fulfill All Righteousness! { Identification With "Confessors" of sins,
In Preparation For HIS (Baptismal) Death FOR sin! }

7. JESUS’ Baptism With Fire
(Isaiah 4:4; Malachi 3:3; Matthew 3:11; Luke 3:16!).
JESUS Will Baptize the nation of Israel with fire when they are
in Great Tribulation in the Time Of Jacob’s Trouble!

{ Is this also for the “chaff” when separated from the wheat?
(Matthew 3:12; Luke 3:17!) }


8. JESUS’ Baptism Unto Death! (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 20:22-23;
Mark 10:38-39, 15:28; Luke 12:50 cp John 18:11!).
JESUS’ Third Baptism Which HE Accomplished On The Cross, Where
HE Was Identified With the sins of Israel, as well as the rest of the world!
{ cp "...HE was numbered with the transgressors." (Mark 15:28 KJB!). }

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9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross),
And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach!
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30;
Acts 10:37; Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16;
Ezekiel 36:25).
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Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism

This is the baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit, BY JESUS CHRIST,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel with
signs and powers following. (Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16).


Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

For The Body Of Christ, Today, Under God's Grace!:

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Holy Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)


Amen.

Gods word says you have to be baptised in water

The tacit understanding for baptism is liquid water. This is true in the Greek and English.
To imply that Paul was speaking of another form of baptism is quite a stretch.

The tacit form of "ice" is frozen water.
The tacit form of "to bathe" is with liquid water.
The tacit form of "to take a shower" is with liquid water.
Even the word "water" is tacit for liquid water.

No one is arguing that a believer should not be baptized in water. The argument is whether water baptism is of spiritual or symbolic value.
The baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13 is a spiritual baptism because it is done by the Spirit. It is the one baptism being spoken of in the passage.
We've been through Acts 2:37-38 before. I have explained the work of the Spirit in verse 37...the hearing given and the heart circumcised that produces a change in the will...that precedes what occurs in verse 38.

So believers should be baptized in water as an act of obedience. After all, the command is given by one with apostolic authority. And I do believe there is grace imparted to the believer that is only given in baptism. But water baptism is largely symbolic of the union that has been forged previously by the Spirit of the believer into Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. There is no magic water. It has been accomplished by the Spirit and all that results from it are due to the life of Christ now present in the new convert. To God be all the glory.

I’ve heard people talk about spiritual baptism. I’m not aware of the bible telling us or alluding to a baptism of/by the HS. I’m hoping this discussion will help me to understand how some come to this conclusion and the scriptural support for it.

Let me first give my basic current understanding on the topic and my concerns. My concern is this “spiritual” baptism is being used to replace water baptism and make water baptism of no effect. If it does actually replace water baptism then great, I want to know and understand.

I understand what the transliterated word “baptism” means. I understand that it’s used in various ways. For this discussion, I would like to stick to baptisms role in conversion. I want to understand what the bible tells us about water and "spiritual" baptism.

I do believe there is a spiritual baptism because the bible tells me so. “Baptized with the Holy Spirit” However, baptism with the HS only happened twice and each one was for a very important specific purpose. The first was the beginning of the church on Pentecost and the other was the first Gentile converts. These were directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.

Please do not use these two to prove "spiritual baptism". I acknowledge this is spiritual baptism. If you believe they were not special situations, then since they are not special you should be able to use the other conversions to prove your point.

Now God has given us His word so we can understand these things. I trust God has chosen the right words to tell us about these things so we can understand. So please use scripture to make your point and tell me how that scripture supports your point.

No it doesn't. People are saved by accepting Jesus as their Savior. Water baptism is a "statement", a symbolic burial and a new birth.

well I can't provide scripture at the moment gotta get out the door soon😅
but, perhaps a good basis for understanding is to explore just how different the two baptisms are yet similar in one aspect...
that one must accept either one of Free Will,water baptism in particular is somewhat of a contract a free slate offered in a sense however as I learned personally baptism of water is Null and Void when you have no prior understanding of What You Are Accepting, I was baptized as a child for glory of a relative but, now know that was wrong and incorrect and so resulted in no effect for such misunderstanding😬

Spiritual Baptism otherwise known as Baptism of Holy spirit is it's own separate detail rather than a sort of contract it's a more personal endearment and acceptance toward Jesus which once again must be found within one's self and accepted for it to affect you,in my opinion the most personal conversation you will have with Jesus😟🙏😀

No it doesn't. People are saved by accepting Jesus as their Savior. Water baptism is a "statement", a symbolic burial and a new birth.

How does one "accept" Jesus as their personal savior?

Acts 16:31a They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved... "

no he still didn't get it, the reason it is discussed again in chpts 11 and 15 is because he and Paul fell out in Antioch over whether or not the salvation of the Gentiles were "properly" saved ... he withdrew from them and would not eat with them [treating them as unclean] even Barnabas and John Mark was caught up in this dispute.

They did submit to Paul but from then on it was decided that they should go to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles.

So believers should be baptized in water as an act of obedience.

Precious friend, not to be unkind, but humbly and sincerely questioning this:

Since God Says there is Only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism, today, Under His
Amazing Grace, how exactly should we explain:

1) God's Math is Incorrect, since men "wish to add water baptism" to
His Formula of ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism, thus making the Second baptism
"for symbolic obedience"?

and:

2) If there are then Actually Two baptisms, then how do we explain the
'discrimination' toward All the "disabled, paraplegics, bedridden, etc."
who will Never "be able" to Obey this "second baptism", no 'sanctification'
of 'obedience' for these folks?

Just wondering...

Amen.

Acts 16:31a They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved... "

Thanks for the exhaustive list of translations. I wouldn't trust to many translations. This is the Greek word used there.

en: in, on, at, by, with
Original Word: ἐν
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: en
Phonetic Spelling: (en)
Definition: in, on, at, by, with
Usage: in, on, among.

If we look at the context, of 1 Corinthians, I suggest when Paul says baptism he is referring to water baptism. Please consider:
1 Cor. 1 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
1 Cor. 10 Paul is giving them a warning and using the Israelites as an example. To draw the closest parallel Paul uses this to show the Israelites were water baptized. 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
The Corinthians equated water baptism with washing away sins.
1 Cor. 15 29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead?
When the Corinthians read this letter and see baptism, they understand it is the water baptism at their conversion. Just as Jesus said, Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
Same for the Corinthians And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.
Circumcision. Our circumcision is spiritual but it's achieved by baptism.
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Receiving the HS. Yes, it didn't begin until after Jesus's sacrifice. Also after Jesus's sacrifice He changed water baptism to baptized in the name of Jesus.

I’ve heard people talk about spiritual baptism. I’m not aware of the bible telling us or alluding to a baptism of/by the HS. I’m hoping this discussion will help me to understand how some come to this conclusion and the scriptural support for it.

Let me first give my basic current understanding on the topic and my concerns. My concern is this “spiritual” baptism is being used to replace water baptism and make water baptism of no effect. If it does actually replace water baptism then great, I want to know and understand.

I understand what the transliterated word “baptism” means. I understand that it’s used in various ways. For this discussion, I would like to stick to baptisms role in conversion. I want to understand what the bible tells us about water and "spiritual" baptism.

I do believe there is a spiritual baptism because the bible tells me so. “Baptized with the Holy Spirit” However, baptism with the HS only happened twice and each one was for a very important specific purpose. The first was the beginning of the church on Pentecost and the other was the first Gentile converts. These were directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.

Please do not use these two to prove "spiritual baptism". I acknowledge this is spiritual baptism. If you believe they were not special situations, then since they are not special you should be able to use the other conversions to prove your point.

Now God has given us His word so we can understand these things. I trust God has chosen the right words to tell us about these things so we can understand. So please use scripture to make your point and tell me how that scripture supports your point.

Sorry all but just a quick question about water baptism...when a person has been baptised as an adult in water should they ever be baptised again? Many thanks 🥰

Precious friend, not to be unkind, but humbly and sincerely questioning this:

Since God Says there is Only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism, today, Under His
Amazing Grace, how exactly should we explain:

1) God's Math is Incorrect, since men "wish to add water baptism" to
His Formula of ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism, thus making the Second baptism
"for symbolic obedience"?

and:

2) If there are then Actually Two baptisms, then how do we explain the
'discrimination' toward All the "disabled, paraplegics, bedridden, etc."
who will Never "be able" to Obey this "second baptism", no 'sanctification'
of 'obedience' for these folks?

Just wondering...

Amen.

I understand I am very late to this thread but I just wanted to tell you what I have learned from it. water baptism as muc as it is coincided with spiritual does not seem to be in the same realm Everytime water baptism aside from when Jesus was water baptized seems to be more of a physical act, I mean when you were baptized do you recall the soothing sensation the cooling of your physical body the life flowing through the waters doing so much more than inspire or create that fire in you?

If water baptism is as it sohlud be then those living waters Jesus spoke of that you will never quench again can we ask ourselves and conclude this? was he all talk what was the reason he spoke in such an insane way? even back then this is insane talk especially so to a gentile of all people but he said it as he did

I dob't know if you ever felt this water but imagine everything you feel you lacking your body soul mind and in return all you feel is this coolness and soft feeling on your skin beimg so clean and pure you fail to understand how you ever thought you and sin had anything to do with each other

How every ounce of weainess physical emotional spiritual it doesnt matter just clean life How many baptisms do you hear about that can express this in such a manner? The sad thing is I am still waiting for this spiritual water either way the only thing that decides what it is is your bond with him

I think of clean soothing waters feeling so good on your skin soul and spirit filled with life but if you ask anyone else can they say the same thing?