Water Baptism-What is in a Name?

The Holy Spirit doesn't come upon a person who was not saved, nor does the Holy Spirit empower a person who is not saved.

You are taking what is known as the Ordainces of the church and making them. Needful for salvation. Next, you will tell me that Communion, the wine and bread, is the real body and Blood of Jesus.

What saved everyone in the Bible was Jesus, not water baptism. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the Power of God for salvation; that is what the word of God says.


"Because what you should be saying is water baptism is a part of being saved."


We have said it in more ways than you can understand.

Many of us said I know I said :

Those who are saved will be baptized in water as our Lord was unto Obedience. You apparently will not see that.

Many of us also said water baptism in Jesus' name is a valid Baptism as water baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

If you do not agree with that, fine; many of us disagree with that. I am not saying you're not saved, but you and some like you tried to suggest were confusing and provided a narrative about Church history and the Bible itself.


You and some like you are legalistic. The confusion, I would say, comes from those who say other people's water Baptism is not valid.

Your wrong. From your post in other threads, you don't even know. About "Spiritual baptism."


And trying to teach others? Confusion? Look in the mirror, guy.

all I'm getting from you, is you this and your this.

You say I'm dropping feelings bombs, when obviously you have a defensive issue of your own, which is fine.

But I ain't going to insult your intelligence and say you have a cognitive issue.

Because that would be insinuation, neither would I want to wrongly paint a picture.


Its not about arguing over salvation, it's about accepting the importance,. of the instruction, to be baptised.

How can you be washed by the blood,

How is that even possible. You can't have real blood poured over you, it has to be spiritual in the form of a seed.

The living water is the spiritual blood of Jesus that must live in the holy spirit, that comes upon you and baptises you into water.

It not the hand of a man, it's not the instruction of a legalist, it's the love of The Holy Spirit and the love of Jesus, who died for your sins, who asked this, not me.

Jesus asked you and left his instruction.

The people who baptise you are just the witness to people who testify to The kingdom, when being baptised. It's a family gathering,


You know about witness and the importance of this.

They don't save you however they lead you.

The Holy Spirit saves you. It is the holy spirit that comes upon you first before you are washed.

All I'm asking is you acknowledge this

LOL Feeling FYI

Acts 1:8, chapter 10, chapter 19, John Chapter 14 in Context were provided. You wrote a paragraph here and did not mention one verse to refute my feeling, LOL.
You chose to be personal, and that's.

Yes, I do think there is an issue with you. Or you are a troll. I'm sorry, but something is amiss. Let's just agree to disagree, and I will not respond to your post and don't respond to mine when they are not to you. Ok

Ok thanks it's ok really.

I don't mind being called a troll im use to it now, but you are acting with impulse.


But I would like you to listen to some basic knowledge, that hopefully will help you to believe there is a simple instruction.

For God saying believe and be baptised.

Acts 1:8
John chapter 14
Acts chapter 10
Acts chapter 19

John chapter 1

Roman chapter 6

I have been baptized

What is the reason God said to believe and be baptised.

Did he say believe and be baptised by the Holy Spirit.

Did he say believe and be baptised in water by the holy spirit.

Did he say I have been baptised and I have been saved.


Let me remind you.

He said believe and be baptised

Question why should anyone say believe and be baptised, must only mean one thing that people should say water baptism is not necessary for being saved.

He only said believe and be baptised.

Most scriptures speak about water when being baptised.

So why would anyone believe water baptism is not in the verse that says believe and be baptised.

You say you are saved, and a pastor.

But so far you have repeatedly called me names.

But You ignore my requests to stop and continue to call me names.


Ive spent time presenting you with basic understandings and basic questions.

And your response has been to call me names repeatedly nearly every day for weeks.

This is not a good way to be a pastor.

And it's most certainly the behaviour that you as a pastor are to protect people from.

As now I have many people following you, calling me a troll who I can not make peace with.

Should you not know better to resort to name calling.

You should not have this much bitterness for a saved pastor, and it should be a privilege to teach on the behalf of the lord.

But yet all you do is call people names.


Did you get salvation beaten into you by someone. Because you sound in pain

Your accusation that I discredit the word of God is nonsense.

The apostles acted in accordance with Jesus' command given in Matthew 28:19. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) There is no contradiction. This is clear to those willing to accept the Word as written. You may want to consider that fact.

The account records the baptism in the name of Jesus. (water) And AFTERWARD they received the Holy Ghost.


Please provide scripture the proves baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is anything other than water baptism.


These scriptures prove it is:
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10:47-48

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:13


"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17

The scripture actually states, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed?" Meaning a person can believe yet not be indwelt with the Holy Ghost until later. Both this account, (Acts 19:1-6) as well as the Samaritan's experience recorded in Acts 8:12-18 proves this to be true.

The 12 believed in Jesus and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water) But did not receive the Holy Ghost until Paul laid hands upon them. (Acts 19:6)

The Samaritans waited days after being baptized before being indwelt with the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18)

I understand Thunderrr-mental to be saying:

1. The NT rebirth as outlined on the Day of Pentecost is still valid. (Acts 2:38) Jesus prophesied that repentance, and remission of sin would be preached in His name among all NATIONS and would BEGIN in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)

2. By God's design, water baptism is for remission of sin. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Luke 7:30, Acts 2:38, 22:16, etc.)

3. Water baptism was modified to include the name of Jesus in association with His sacrifice. (Acts 2:38)
Jesus prophesied this would occur. (Luke 24:47)

4. Paul rebaptized 12 Ephesians in the name of Jesus. Being baptized in the name of Jesus refers to water baptism as revealed elsewhere in scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 22:16, 1 Cor. 1:13-16)

brother @CS1 I know your a good brother at heart I mean you no harm.

You have said nice things to me, I remember when you complimented me for the work I had done on my garden.

Well i just want you see what my little mind That God keeps in order, has helped to build.

In this kitchen I cut every piece of wood to thickness length width,.from a tree I had cut down.

I have just finished.

The quote was from the NKJV, so in the KJV, yes, the word SINCE they both actually say what they say.

NO, every person saved has the Holy Spirit in them. The empowering of the Holy Spirit can happen at salvation after salvation before water baptism during water baptism before water baptism as shown in the Book of Acts.
The Apostles had the Holy Spirit before Pentecost, as John chapter 20 shows us. Ans John chapters 14 to 16, as Jesus taught on the Holy Spirit.

Outstanding

Thanks sir C.S.1.

I don't believe into many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth, I believe in welcoming many cooks in to my kitchen.

There's many thing in life I can forgive and have learnt to, but if I get to many cooks eating all the broth well They get a custard pie in there face 😊

Good everytime I take a bath or wash my hands.
"-)

It is history, Chruch Fathers were taught by the Apostles.

Again, in name of = authority

not keeping up wife kicking me off