Rapture timing matters?

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2 Thess2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him,

we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Meaning the Day of the Lord in which we seek cannot happen till after he takes his seat in the temple. Has to be after the middle lof the 7 (years)--This is literal but few believe it.

Then you want to say the Restrainer is the H S. How Foolish. It's the saints
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1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 NKJV
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. [2] For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. [3] For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. [4] But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
 
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Actually the problem arises because the KJB has "the day of Christ" whereas all the other translations have "the day of the Lord (which corresponds to the OT "the day of the LORD"). The day of Christ pertains to the Rapture whereas the day of the Lord pertains to the future period of divine judgments.

So this passage is saying that the Man of Sin will be revealed followed by the day of the Lord (the Tribulation period) . It has nothing to do with the Rapture, yet the Thessalonians were aware that the Rapture would be well ahead of the day of the Lord. But someone was telling them that the day of the Lord had already occurred and this was bothering them. The focus of 2 Thess 2 is the reign of the Antichrist which will come AFTER the Rapture but BEFORE the day of the Lord.
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KJV Day of Christ is interchangeable with Day of the Lord. Didn't Peter stand up and say Great and Glorious Day of the Lord and the prophet Daniel called it the Blessed Day
 
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Chaplain_Sam456 said:
Seeing the Rapture after the 6th Seal is not conjecture.

If only the pretrib argument dismissing Jesus words in Matthew 24 could be removed instead of what Jesus said - you could see it also.
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FYI, Matthew 24 and 25 chapters answer three questions, not one the disciples asked Jesus.


1. Tell us, when shall these things be? The destruction of the temple
2. what shall be the sign of thy coming? Taking of the church
3. and of the end of the world? Judgment


Three distinct questions about three different things.

Jesus answered them all, and we must keep them in context.
 
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Lord is only coming one more time for the saints both jew and gentile.

Hebrews 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

1 Cor. 15:. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

Matthew 13 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”

( Notice the Reapers in Matthew and Revelations )

14 Then I looked, and lo, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat upon the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has power over fire, and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and gathered the vintage of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of God; 20 and the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the wine press, as high as a horse’s bridle, for one thousand six hundred stadia.
 
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Omegatime said:
Lord is only coming one more time for the saints both jew and gentile.

Hebrews 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

1 Cor. 15:. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

Matthew 13 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”

( Notice the Reapers in Matthew and Revelations )

14 Then I looked, and lo, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat upon the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has power over fire, and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and gathered the vintage of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of God; 20 and the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the wine press, as high as a horse’s bridle, for one thousand six hundred stadia.
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The one difficulty of the prewrath rapture after the 6th Seal, is how to harmonize the return of Christ in Revelation 19 with the implied fact there is only one Second Coming.

The way I am looking at it right now, with a humble heart, is the Rapture after the 6th Seal is the beginning of Second Coming.

It starts with the Rapture which begins the destruction of the rule of the Antichrist. After the brightness of His Coming and lifting out the Saints in front of the whole world, the deception of the Antichrist becomes much less.

The message of the two witnesses and the 144,000 will have an impact on all the people.

During the Trumpet judgments, including the destruction of the false worldwide religion and the destruction of the political and economic system which used the Mark to buy and sell, the fallacy of the false god becomes more and more exposed.

By the Battle of Armageddon, the gathered nations to fight back against the return of Christ are only there because they are stuck with the false god and his failed world.

What do you think?
 
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Everything is in perfect order. I am going to leave you with a few pieces to fit everything together. There is no pre-tribulation rapture or pre-wrath. The resurrection/ rapture happens exactly as it says after the abtichrist takes his seat in the temple. The sheep/goat judgment for the survivors of the bowl judgements are to determine who enters the 1000 year reign of Christ. The rapture/resurrection will be on Pentecost, exactly 2000 years from Pentecost in Acts 2.

The covenant with many in Daniel 9:27 will be on the Feast Trumpets on the date of September 23, 2025. The rapture/resurrection will be on Pentecost 1335 days from the covenant with many.
 
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The Seals will be about 30 days in length, Trumpets will be 150 days and the Bowl or Vial judgements 167 days, or 1185 days.

Day 0 of the covenant with many---Feast Trumpets

Antichrist takes seat temple---------1260 days--middle of the 7

AOD---30 days later during Passover week. The Abomination that causes desolation is placed 1290 days into the Tribulation during Passover week in year 2029.

Rapture/Resuurection on 1335th day of the Tribulation at Pentecost-Great and Glorious Day of the Lord-Daniel called it the Blessed Day.

Bowl judgements begin on Day of the Lord--Great and Terrible Day of the Lord ----1335th day

End of Tribulation 2520 days
 
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Omegatime said:
The Seals will be about 30 days in length, Trumpets will be 150 days and the Bowl or Vial judgements 167 days, or 1185 days.

Day 0 of the covenant with many---Feast Trumpets

Antichrist takes seat temple---------1260 days--middle of the 7

AOD---30 days later during Passover week. The Abomination that causes desolation is placed 1290 days into the Tribulation during Passover week in year 2029.

Rapture/Resuurection on 1335th day of the Tribulation at Pentecost-Great and Glorious Day of the Lord-Daniel called it the Blessed Day.

Bowl judgements begin on Day of the Lord--Great and Terrible Day of the Lord ----1335th day

End of Tribulation 2520 days
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Like I said before, this is all conjecture.

I can see in Scripture the Rapture between the 6th and 7th Seals. In fact, I consider it the promised Second Coming to receive us to Himself in the clouds.

Here is my conjecture:

This is the most important info for the Body of Christ, because we have to face the first 3.5 years with the world leader who leads us to believe he is on our side (and the side of the Jews), while the deception of the worldwide religion is in full growth mode, all while the crazy left is hating and attacking us through Seals 1 through 4.

Then the world leader receives a deadly head wound. Satan is cast to the Earth and enters into the world leader who rises up and declares himself to be god in the temple.

Then the false prophet agrees the Antichrist is god, calls down fire from the sky and makes the Mark mandatory.

Through all this, the Body of Christ must keep the faith, not take the Mark, be hated, hunted down, arrested, homes and property stolen, losing everything because of Christ at a time everybody will be telling us the Bible is false.

Well God told us what would happen ahead of time in that Bible, so the world will actually be proving the Bible right as they try to tell us it is all a lie. Plus the two witnesses speaking outside the temple will strengthen us to endure until we die for Christ or survive to the Rapture.

I am still trying to figure out all the pieces after that, but I know the wrath of God happens AFTER we are gone to be with Him and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
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Omegatime said:
The Seals will be about 30 days in length, Trumpets will be 150 days and the Bowl or Vial judgements 167 days, or 1185 days.

Day 0 of the covenant with many---Feast Trumpets

Antichrist takes seat temple---------1260 days--middle of the 7

AOD---30 days later during Passover week. The Abomination that causes desolation is placed 1290 days into the Tribulation during Passover week in year 2029.

Rapture/Resuurection on 1335th day of the Tribulation at Pentecost-Great and Glorious Day of the Lord-Daniel called it the Blessed Day.

Bowl judgements begin on Day of the Lord--Great and Terrible Day of the Lord ----1335th day

End of Tribulation 2520 days
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Matthew 24:36 NKJV
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."
 
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Rev13 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with wonder. 4 Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed

Just how many heads does he has?

Need to understand it is symbolic of one of the nations of the 10 that was falling apart and the antichrist healed this nation

Has nothing to do with the antichrist having a mortal wound
 
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Omegatime said:
Rev13 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with wonder. 4 Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed

Just how many heads does he has?

Need to understand it is symbolic of one of the nations of the 10 that was falling apart and the antichrist healed this nation

Has nothing to do with the antichrist having a mortal wound
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I went to 3 Bible Colleges and the 2 theories I heard over and over again were (1) It refers to the Antichrist as a person; (2) It could refer to a political power that was once in power, loses power, and regains it.

What do you think it refers to?
 
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Omegatime said:
Do you not believe Jesus was God? Have you no knowledge what he was teaching. Oh woe are we
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Yes I believe Jesus is God, but I hesitate to continue talking to someone who exclaims "woe are we" because I doesn't agree with everything you say.
 
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Chaplain_Sam456 said:
Like I said before, this is all conjecture.

I can see in Scripture the Rapture between the 6th and 7th Seals. In fact, I consider it the promised Second Coming to receive us to Himself in the clouds.

Here is my conjecture:

This is the most important info for the Body of Christ, because we have to face the first 3.5 years with the world leader who leads us to believe he is on our side (and the side of the Jews), while the deception of the worldwide religion is in full growth mode, all while the crazy left is hating and attacking us through Seals 1 through 4.

Then the world leader receives a deadly head wound. Satan is cast to the Earth and enters into the world leader who rises up and declares himself to be god in the temple.

Then the false prophet agrees the Antichrist is god, calls down fire from the sky and makes the Mark mandatory.

Through all this, the Body of Christ must keep the faith, not take the Mark, be hated, hunted down, arrested, homes and property stolen, losing everything because of Christ at a time everybody will be telling us the Bible is false.

Well God told us what would happen ahead of time in that Bible, so the world will actually be proving the Bible right as they try to tell us it is all a lie. Plus the two witnesses speaking outside the temple will strengthen us to endure until we die for Christ or survive to the Rapture.

I am still trying to figure out all the pieces after that, but I know the wrath of God happens AFTER we are gone to be with Him and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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If you are saying that others are conclusions formed on the basis of incomplete information. Then what are you doing?
 
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If you are saying that others are conclusions formed on the basis of incomplete information. Then what are you doing?
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There is biblical fact and there are opinions. There is nothing wrong with opinions, that's why I offered my own conjecture, but stating an opinion as a provable biblical fact and wondering aloud if the other person knows anything about the Bible, is disrespectful.
 
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There is biblical fact and there are opinions. There is nothing wrong with opinions, that's why I offered my own conjecture, but stating an opinion as a provable biblical fact and wondering aloud if the other person knows anything about the Bible, is disrespectful.
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As you know or should, saying want is providing nothing, but conjecture is not the same as saying that is an opinion. You say you are providing "Bible fact" to conjecture.

The Book of Revelation is not fully understood. Because it is Prophecy. And If you do not read Daniel with Revelation you can be even more conjectural in your position.
 
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