Predestination is misunderstood...

If they did yes.

If they did not, then no

I am just stating there are two beliefs

Grace through faith (unmerited)

or grace through faith plus works. (Merited)

You can;t have it both ways.

Gods good will says he is willing that non should perish. He paid the price.

He is offering his favor to everyone.

Sadly, Many will not recieve it, they will either try to earn it, or reject it outright

well done Rosie 😊

He is offering his favour to those who ask for it. Which stil means you are being saved by God's good will.

God gives freely to those who ask for his wisdom, on the bases they use that wisdom for the better Good, because that's how his will works.

So why should you dismiss his Good will for an unmerited favour

No, he offers it to everyone, Only those who ask for it will recieve it.

And yes, we are saved by Gods good will through unmerited favor

Why would you deny they are both the same thing?

Gods good will was sending his son to the cross. So he could offer favor to thew world..

Unmerited just means it can not be merited. as apposed to merited favor which would be a wage or reward.

Yes I also eat fish...So glad you...I did do the salt when I started , but I have enough on my food through the day , and find all my leg cramps have gone...I also put egg yolk in my morning coffee with grass fed butter , it is delish...And yes , I have chicken also , with the skin nice and crispy...You will get there brother , one day at a time...It gets easier as our body heals...

Thank you

which one sounds more leading to knowing God is saving you, and not yourself.

You are saved by God's good will through faith.

Or you are saved by God's unmerited favour through faith.

Which one sits best.

Egg yolk in coffee, never heard of that..lol

I am pressing on.. As hard as it is.. (I passed up the best Lasagnia I know of last thursday, was rough watching everyone eat..

Both fit.

I was saved By Gods good will sacrifice

And I was saved by God favor which was unmerited.

You do realise that the NT was written in Greek do you not? It was not written in english, we just interpret the words used.

One more thing Brother , and I wont mess up the thread no more...Egg yolk blended up in the coffee with a bit of butter makes the coffee creamy , and it is also a great way to get the yolk into your eating plan...I look forward to your update on blood work...Please message me to let me know as I am praying for you...

i'll pray for you, too, Dr. B

Rosemary, you're in my prayers, also. you are the sweetest girl.

Thank you so much dear @notmyown ...You really touched my heart...So grateful for your kind words...xox...

defo salvation and salvation is free ... but do you think rewards and losses may depend upon our lifestyle? we all will reach our eternal home but will we all reign with Christ?

You left out...they heard this. That is the hearing given...the understanding. Their mind was engaged by God. They were pricked in their hearts...their hearts were circumcised. Then,...what shall we do? Their wills were affected.
All this happened inwardly to convert them. God was already working in them. They made the choice to do as Peter said freely after all this occurred. 3,000 were saved. Unfortunately, many more thousands who heard the same message, who God did not give hearing to or prick their hearts remained unaffected though the heard and witnessed the same thing.
God adds to the church daily in the same way. Jesus said He will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

But you focus on what men did. The focus should always begin with what God did.

[sometimes I don't realize what thread I've been posting in... so I wanted to address the OP]



YES! I pretty much agree!

I skimmed hastily through this thread, and though I might word a few things a little differently, I basically agree with this point (regarding what Eph1:4 is communicating). It pertains solely to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (also known as "the Bride," presently "betrothed"... meaning, all those coming to faith in Christ "IN THIS PRESENT AGE [singular]"... between Pentecost and "our Rapture" basically).

It does NOT pertain to all other saints of all OTHER time-frames: so, not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints.




(where it says, "for to make/create [ktizō ] in himself of twain one new [altogether new] man, so making peace," it refers to, in "this present age [singular]"... not all those [believers / saints] of other time-periods; and it continues on to say, "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" [key phrase "in one body"]).



So, yes, I pretty much agree with the quote at top! = )




[ I'll try to go through this thread again, and comment briefly where I agree... when I get some free time]

Yes-Scripture affirms that our rewards and losses in eternity are indeed linked to our lifestyle and actions on earth. While all believers will reach their eternal home, the Bible indicates that not all will reign with Christ or receive the same rewards.

Rewards and Losses Based on Lifestyle
1 Corinthians 3:12-15: This passage highlights that believers will be rewarded based on their actions and choices on earth. Some will receive rewards for their faithful service, while others may suffer loss due to their works being burned up.

2 Corinthians 5:10: This verse emphasizes that all believers will give an account of their lives to the Lord, and they will be judged according to their works, leading to the gain or loss of eternal rewards.

Matthew 25:23: Jesus' parable in this passage illustrates varying levels of reward based on faithful stewardship. Those who are faithful with what they have been given will receive greater responsibilities and rewards.

Revelation 2:23: This verse underscores that God searches hearts and minds, repaying each individual according to their deeds. It emphasizes the importance of our actions in determining our eternal rewards.

Eternal Rewards in Heaven
1 Corinthians 9:25-27: The Victor's Crown is awarded to those who exercise self-discipline and focus on activities with eternal value, reflecting faithful service to God.

1 Peter 5:4: The Crown of Glory is given to faithful shepherds and leaders who serve God's people diligently, highlighting the importance of leadership roles within the church.

James 1:12; Revelation 2:10: The Crown of Life is granted to those who endure persecution, temptation, and remain steadfast in their love for Christ, even in the face of martyrdom.

1 Thessalonians 2:19: The Crown of Rejoicing is bestowed upon those who lead others to Christ, emphasizing the significance of evangelism and discipleship in receiving heavenly rewards.

2 Timothy 4:8: The Crown of Righteousness awaits those who eagerly anticipate Christ's return and live a life dedicated to righteousness, looking forward to receiving their reward from the Lord.

Depends-are we sealed with the Holy Spirit? Ever read Pilgrims Progress?

I ain't concerned by greek, im concerned by what is a clear definition of Gods grace, which is major flaw in church doctrine.


For when you where saved your condition before you was saved was out of favour, with the lord. Which makes your condition of Good will (Grace) unmerited, it does not them make God's good will ( grace) unmerited.