Who Justifieth the Ungodly

if a person was "Justified when Christ rose from the dead", then all believers who lived prior to Christ having risen from the dead were never justified. However, Scripture tells us Abraham believed God and God imputed righteousness to Abraham ... but, according to you, Abraham could not have been justified or made righteous because Christ had not yet risen from the dead.

if a person is or was "Justified when Christ rose from the dead", then believers born after Christ rose from the dead were never ungodly ... which would render Romans 4:5 invalid.

Your dogma is devoid of Scriptural truth.

It is so much easier to just read Scripture as written, trust God, and believe what He wrote just as written ...

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

the moment the "ungodly" believeth, he or she is justified ... no longer ungodly.
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Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Christ freely justified his people by his precious blood. He paid all the debt his people owed to divine justice by laying down his life in our place. The Son of God came in human flesh and fulfilled his own law, satisfied his own justice, and provided his own righteousness for his people freely

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 36

The Elect are Justified before God prior to their believing in Him simply because, before believing in Him, God had already made Christ unto them these 4 things 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Notice made unto us redemption !

Now hear what Gods word says here about redemption Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The very fact that Christ died for the elect is their redemption. The word means:

1. a releasing effected by payment of ransom
   1. redemption, deliverance
   2. liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

See that, redemption is effected by the payment of the ransom, which is Christs Blood, and thats Justification according to Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 36

First of all, the term "his people" should correctly be referred to as "His people" (capital "H").

Secondly, the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind. The Lord Jesus Christ laid down His life for all descendants of Adam (the whole world).

There is only one offering for sin which is acceptable to God. You know that ... I know that.

just because you deny truth does not nullify truth ... nor does it change truth to your stated claim.




Lastly ...

brightfame52 said:

Rom 8:32

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brightfame52 said:

Rom 3:24

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to equate Romans 8:32 with Romans 3:24 because the English word "freely" is used in both verses is error on your part because the word translated "freely" in English is not the same Greek word in the verses.

In Romans 3:24 the word "freely" is translated from the Greek word dōrean.

In Romans 8:32 the words "freely give" are translated from the Greek word charizomai.

Quit ripping verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them in order to prop up your erroneous dogma!

You are engaged in eisegesis and you are missing the whole point the Author of Scripture wants you to understand.

Your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Justification is solely for His People, the Elect, the Church

Again only Gods elect are Justified Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

The elect are Justified when Christ died for them Rom 5:6,8

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Yet as unregenerate sinners the elect are ignorant of their Justification, until God quickens them to Spiritual life and providetially brings them under the preaching of the Gospel and giving them the Gift of Faith in Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; 36

Now even though the elect are Justified before God while they are ungodly, yet He justifies them not because of that, but because while ungodly, He hath imputed to them Christs righteousness, for its written 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

For Christ to have died for one, He was made sin for them, and that brought about an gracious exchange, God because of that,made them the righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

1 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 36

... the "elect" referred to in Rom 8:33 are those who are born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:4) ... those in whom the Spirit of God dwells (Rom 8:9) ... those who are led by the Spirit of God (Rom 8:14) ... those who love God (Rom 8:28) ... those who are being conformed to the image of His Son (Rom 8:29)

I have told you before and I will continue to tell you ...

God's purpose is that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Once the whosoever believeth is born again, then the Elect (the Lord Jesus Christ) is in him or her and he or she is in the Elect ... then he or she is considered "elect".
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Romans 5:6 does not state the "elect are justified when Christ died for them":

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Romans 5:6 says when we were without strength ... Christ died for the ungodly. Quit manipulating the text. Just read what the Author of Scripture wrote and believe what is written. In fact, the reason you manipulate the text is because you do not believe what God has written.

brightfame52 said:

Yet as unregenerate sinners the elect are ignorant of their Justification

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"unregenerate sinners" are "ignorant of their Justification" because they are not yet justified.

Read Romans 4:20 – 5:1 brightfame52:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


The moment an "unregenerate sinner" believes on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, God imputes righteousness to him or her.

brightfame52 said:

Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

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God has given faith to all mankind ... faith is inherent within all descendants of Adam ... some believe lies and reject God Who has given everything mankind needs in order to come to Him.

What we are told in Philippians 1:29 is that just as God provided everything we need in order to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, God shall supply everything we need in order to remain steadfast and not be terrified by [our] adversaries (Phil 1:28) so we are able to withstand when we suffer for His sake (Phil 1:29):

Philippians 1:

27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

while we suffer for His sake (Phil 1:29), we are not to be terrified by [our] adversaries (Phil 1:28) because God has given us everything we need to stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel (Phil 1:27).
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Only Gods elect shall be Justified Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Christ death/blood alone Justified the ungodly Elect.

The elect were Justified while being ungodly Rom 4:5

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the Greek word eklektos ... translated into the English word "elect" ... does not appear in Romans 4:5. In fact, the Greek word eklektos only appears twice in Romans ... once in Romans 8 and once in Romans 16.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

please note: the verb tenses in Romans 4:5 are present tense ... which means God justifies the person at the time he or she believes.

Once a person believes, he or she is justified, made righteous by God ... no longer "ungodly".

And, of course, the point of Romans 4:2-8 is faith is not works.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Only Israel is justified in the lord